Block-Charges (video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The T pretty much saved them by putting a whistle on the play even though it was really late.

I don't consider it saving the crew by getting the call wrong. I don't think an official should jump in unless they have the view to get it right. He didn't.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't consider it saving the crew by getting the call wrong. I don't think an official should jump in unless they have the view to get it right. He didn't.

Cam -

I don't know if JMF used the right word in "SAVED", but I do agree that that play needed a whistle. If someone comes a second late on an obvious crash ( that we all agree is close ), I rather have a whistle, than a crash with nothing. IMO the trail has stones....I like that.

[Travelling Man]

play 1: here's a common case where a "play on" could be justified, but the fact that bodies were splayed across the floor would compel a "charge" to be called given that the defender was in LGP--at least from the T's position--though I wondered why the L did not make the call?

Play 2: I agree with the "block" call.

thanks for posting this fine vid.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

play 1: here's a common case where a "play on" could be justified

One question: How?

Originally Posted by AremRed

Play 1: I want to no-call this, but I'm not sure I could justify it to my superior. Block.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

One question: How?

Since I said the same thing, I will defend. I saw the contact as marginal. From first glance the contact did not seem to be as much as the girls ending up on the ground made it seem. I feel once contact occurred, both players fell to the ground trying to sell the call in their favor. If this were a men's game I doubt either player would have fallen down from such contact.

As I said, I initially wanted to no-call this, but decided on block after a couple viewings. I do not see the B1 having LGP before A1 leaves the floor. B1 appears to be sliding to her right and moving slightly forward while A1 is airborne.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because it was camp.

Why would this matter? Would officials of that caliber not want to teach me the right way to do it?

JetMetFan, would it be fair to say "don't call the iffy stuff outside your area, only make those calls which your partner will later thank you for getting"?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

SWhy would this matter? Would officials of that caliber not want to teach me the right way to do it?

Because what is taught in camp is sometimes not practiced to that extent in real life or the games these officials actually work.

Go to enough camps and watch enough clinicians, you will see this is the case in many situations.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I feel once contact occurred, both players fell to the ground trying to sell the call in their favor.

I've got a tough time with this reasoning, especially since the shooter was airborne. If you're airborne and hit an object that may/may not have been there when you left the ground, you'll most likely fall down. If the shooter lands then makes contact with the defender or if the defender was moving backwards at the time of contact, that's another story. Either way, contact doesn't have to be severe to warrant a foul call.

Originally Posted by AremRed

JetMetFan, would it be fair to say "don't call the iffy stuff outside your area, only make those calls which your partner will later thank you for getting"?

I think the fair thing to say would be give your partner a chance but ultimately make calls that need to be made. That's one thing I took from the camps I attended this summer. For me, play #1 falls into the category of a call that needed to be made.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Because what is taught in camp is sometimes not practiced to that extent in real life or the games these officials actually work.

Do as I say but not as I do? What are they trying to teach me?

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

make calls that need to be made.

This seems ambiguous, can you define it please?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

play 1: here's a common case where a "play on" could be justified

Out of curiosity, how long have you been officiating and at what level(s)?

[Travelling Man]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Out of curiosity, how long have you been officiating and at what level(s)?

Out of curiosity, how many officiating clinics have you had the primary responsibility of organizing and providing leadership upon? (edit) how many commendations have you been awarded for excellence in officiating?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Out of curiosity, how many officiating clinics have you had the primary responsibility of organizing and providing leadership upon? (edit) how many commendations have you been awarded for excellence in officiating?

None and none. Answering a question with a question: The sign of someone who is avoiding the initial question. Not shocking. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't believe your answer anyway. Makes no difference.

Would you mind answering why you would, in a million years, no call that first play, your excellence?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Out of curiosity, how many officiating clinics have you had the primary responsibility of organizing and providing leadership upon? (edit) how many commendations have you been awarded for excellence in officiating?

Seems to me that Smitty's question is genuine and relevant given the divergence of your opinion from the majority. Responding with non sequitur questions doesn't help, but feel free to answer your own question to Smitty if you think it will bolster your credibility or otherwise add to the discussion of the posted videos.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Seems to me that Smitty's question is genuine and relevant given the divergence of your opinion from the majority. Responding with non sequitur questions doesn't help, but feel free to answer your own question to Smitty if you think it will bolster your credibility or otherwise add to the discussion of the posted videos.

As I posted earlier:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

...


When she first started posting she was a shy flower who was intimidated by male coaches. Now all of a sudden she has the wisdom and courage of Teddy V. and Eric Brewton

Either a troll or someone with multiple personalities.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Out of curiosity, how many officiating clinics have you had the primary responsibility of organizing and providing leadership upon? (edit) how many commendations have you been awarded for excellence in officiating?

I will not speak for anyone else, but I have been responsible for many type clinics or was the person in charge of a session or presentation. And all I have ever noticed about previous playing experience is it helps an official with strategy and understanding what is going on from a team aspect, but not necessarily their rules or mechanics knowledge.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And all I have ever noticed about previous playing experience is it helps an official with strategy and understanding what is going on from a team aspect, but not necessarily their rules or mechanics knowledge.

Peace

Hey, that is 100% on the money!