Block-Charges (video)

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Arem -

I'm curious....what part of the country was this camp and was it men's or women's....

Midwest, men's camp.

I totally get what you mean. I would make this call as the T if my partner has a brain fart. I agree that calls like this should not be passed on, and hopefully my partner would be thankful.

However, a women's camp I went to (D1 officials, midwest) also told me the same thing. "If your partner passed on something in his area, he must have had a reason. Do not call outside your area unless it is a game saving call." For example, this no-call that the T could have saved.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Midwest, men's camp.

I totally get what you mean. I would make this call as the T if my partner has a brain fart. I agree that calls like this should not be passed on, and hopefully my partner would be thankful.

However, a women's camp I went to (D1 officials, midwest) also told me the same thing. "If your partner passed on something in his area, he must have had a reason. Do not call outside your area unless it is a game saving call." For example, this no-call that the T could have saved.

The main thing would be the type of play your partner passed on. If there's an iffy play in his/her area, they let it go and then you come in and take it...that falls into the area of "trust your partner." As Jeff said, this is a case of bodies hitting the floor and it wasn't just incidental contact. Someone had to do something. It may/may not have been the right call but no whistle on that play is much worse. I have a feeling the officials you spoke with at the D1 women's camp would say the same thing.

On a side note...I worked with the L on play #1 at a camp in July. It took me a few times watching the video to realize it.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The main thing would be the type of play your partner passed on. If there's an iffy play in his/her area, they let it go and then you come in and take it...that falls into the area of "trust your partner." As Jeff said, this is a case of bodies hitting the floor and it wasn't just incidental contact. Someone had to do something. It may/may not have been the right call but no whistle on that play is much worse. I have a feeling the officials you spoke with at the D1 women's camp would say the same thing.

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

Because it was camp.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

JetMetFan, I got in touch with a guy from the camp and asked him to clarify what the clinicians meant. He said that plays like this do need to be called, and that you shouldn't call small, regular stuff outside your area. As a crew you need to take care of these types of collisions for all the reasons you and JRut mentioned. I only wish they had told me this at the time.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JetMetFan, I got in touch with a guy from the camp and asked him to clarify what the clinicians meant. He said that plays like this do need to be called, and that you shouldn't call small, regular stuff outside your area. As a crew you need to take care of these types of collisions for all the reasons you and JRut mentioned. I only wish they had told me this at the time.

At least he clarified it for you. I figured that was the case since I've heard it from every D1 official I've ever run into in a camp situation.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

At least he clarified it for you. I figured that was the case since I've heard it from every D1 official I've ever run into in a camp situation.

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

But are you going to arrest what may be the victim if you have a poor view of the crime just so you can arrest someone?

The T in this play had no chance to see through all of the bodies between him and the play. There were at least 3-4 directly in his line of sight to the play. The C probably had a much more open look, even if it was way out of their primary.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

Get the elephants, not the ants. Everyone can see the elephants.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Misdemeanor ...Felony.

Good metaphor. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to such plays as ants, and elephants, same as in JRutledge's Chicagoland (his little northeast corner if Illinois).