Block-Charges (video)

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

saving the crew

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It's saving the crew because something had to be called

I was at a camp in April where several D1 clinicians emphasized to me NEVER to call in someone else's area (obviously not including secondary areas) unless it was a game-saving call. Of course, this means you have to trust your partners to take care of their areas. According to their logic, this is not a game-saving call and thus should not be touched by the T.

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Originally Posted by AremRed

I was at a camp in April where several D1 clinicians emphasized to me NEVER to call in someone else's area (obviously not including secondary areas) unless it was a game-saving call. Of course, this means you have to trust your partners to take care of their areas. According to their logic, this is not a game-saving call and thus should not be touched by the T.

Arem -

I don't disagree, however when you have a crash / wreck / multiple bodies on the floor are you passing because you are working with Karl Hess and zTony Greene????

If they have a brain cramp and you come get that and you are right, regardless of time and score, two things are gonna happen. They will appreciate it and you will gain the trust of John Clougherty or John Cahill.....

Just my opinion....

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Arem -

I'm curious....what part of the country was this camp and was it men's or women's....

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Arem -

I'm curious....what part of the country was this camp and was it men's or women's....

Midwest, men's camp.

I totally get what you mean. I would make this call as the T if my partner has a brain fart. I agree that calls like this should not be passed on, and hopefully my partner would be thankful.

However, a women's camp I went to (D1 officials, midwest) also told me the same thing. "If your partner passed on something in his area, he must have had a reason. Do not call outside your area unless it is a game saving call." For example, this no-call that the T could have saved.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Midwest, men's camp.

I totally get what you mean. I would make this call as the T if my partner has a brain fart. I agree that calls like this should not be passed on, and hopefully my partner would be thankful.

However, a women's camp I went to (D1 officials, midwest) also told me the same thing. "If your partner passed on something in his area, he must have had a reason. Do not call outside your area unless it is a game saving call." For example, this no-call that the T could have saved.

The main thing would be the type of play your partner passed on. If there's an iffy play in his/her area, they let it go and then you come in and take it...that falls into the area of "trust your partner." As Jeff said, this is a case of bodies hitting the floor and it wasn't just incidental contact. Someone had to do something. It may/may not have been the right call but no whistle on that play is much worse. I have a feeling the officials you spoke with at the D1 women's camp would say the same thing.

On a side note...I worked with the L on play #1 at a camp in July. It took me a few times watching the video to realize it.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The main thing would be the type of play your partner passed on. If there's an iffy play in his/her area, they let it go and then you come in and take it...that falls into the area of "trust your partner." As Jeff said, this is a case of bodies hitting the floor and it wasn't just incidental contact. Someone had to do something. It may/may not have been the right call but no whistle on that play is much worse. I have a feeling the officials you spoke with at the D1 women's camp would say the same thing.

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

Because it was camp.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, totally agree on this. However I am stuck trying to figure out why those guys didn't say this. I was surprised at how vehemently they told me never to call outside my areas.

JetMetFan, I got in touch with a guy from the camp and asked him to clarify what the clinicians meant. He said that plays like this do need to be called, and that you shouldn't call small, regular stuff outside your area. As a crew you need to take care of these types of collisions for all the reasons you and JRut mentioned. I only wish they had told me this at the time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I was at a camp in April where several D1 clinicians emphasized to me NEVER to call in someone else's area (obviously not including secondary areas) unless it was a game-saving call. Of course, this means you have to trust your partners to take care of their areas. According to their logic, this is not a game-saving call and thus should not be touched by the T.

I have had D1 clinicians make it very clear that if we pass on plays like that, bad things could happen. I know I was at a camp in Texas and there was a play that I had the worst angle to call something and we all got admonished for not making a call that looked really bad and all of us passed on. And these are not plays that should be passed on. Something should be called with this much contact and players basically on the floor. Not all obvious fouls are game saving in nature.

Peace

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have had D1 clinicians make it very clear that if we pass on plays like that, bad things could happen. I know I was at a camp in Texas and there was a play that I had the worst angle to call something and we all got admonished for not making a call that looked really bad and all of us passed on. And these are not plays that should be passed on. Something should be called with this much contact and players basically on the floor. Not all obvious fouls are game saving in nature.

Peace

Rut -

Was this one of Curtis Shaw's camps ?????

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Rut -

Was this one of Curtis Shaw's camps ?????

Nope. I have never been to any of Shaw's camps.

Peace