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So, T makes the call on Video 1, involving a secondary defender, and L is motionless . . .?
Then, L makes the call on Video 2, involving a secondary defender, and T is motionless . . .? Which is according to guidelines, at that level? Would a dbl whistle be appropriate in either?
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First play: block. The defender was never in the path prior to the shooter going airborne. The shooter was coming directly at the camera and you could see her entire torso, unobstructed, until after she was airborne. Only after going airborne did the defender get in the path. Plus, the trail needs to let the lead have that one.
Second play: Charge. Contact even occurred before the shooter was airborne so it was only a matter of getting in the path with both feet down before contact. The defender got in the path got the 2nd foot down just before contact. That was the correct official to make the call and it was incredibly close so I can't fault anyone for having a different opinion on this one.
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Under the code this game was played, primary takes precedence. I can't speak for NCAAM.
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On play #2 you could have a double whistle but NCAAW tends to frown on those so it's L first crack at it, T second. He did but the L didn't do anything and someone had to do something since that wasn't a no-call. That's why the whistle was so late. And no, the time lag wasn't an issue with the clip. That's how long it took for the T to blow.
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I don't consider it saving the crew by getting the call wrong. I don't think an official should jump in unless they have the view to get it right. He didn't.
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I don't know if JMF used the right word in "SAVED", but I do agree that that play needed a whistle. If someone comes a second late on an obvious crash ( that we all agree is close ), I rather have a whistle, than a crash with nothing. IMO the trail has stones....I like that.
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play 1: here's a common case where a "play on" could be justified, but the fact that bodies were splayed across the floor would compel a "charge" to be called given that the defender was in LGP--at least from the T's position--though I wondered why the L did not make the call?
Play 2: I agree with the "block" call. thanks for posting this fine vid. |
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One question: How?
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As I said, I initially wanted to no-call this, but decided on block after a couple viewings. I do not see the B1 having LGP before A1 leaves the floor. B1 appears to be sliding to her right and moving slightly forward while A1 is airborne. Why would this matter? Would officials of that caliber not want to teach me the right way to do it? JetMetFan, would it be fair to say "don't call the iffy stuff outside your area, only make those calls which your partner will later thank you for getting"? |
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