Block-Charges (video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

So, T makes the call on Video 1, involving a secondary defender, and L is motionless . . .?
Then, L makes the call on Video 2, involving a secondary defender, and T is motionless . . .?

Which is according to guidelines, at that level?

Would a dbl whistle be appropriate in either?

I cannot speak directly for what is expected in NCAA Women's basketball as it relates to these plays. But I do feel there is nothing wrong with a double whistle and nothing wrong with one official in each situation taking this call. It is possible the L was surprised by the play and did not call anything in the first play and waited for the T to take the call. But a double whistle on both would be appropriate in most situations.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

First play: block. The defender was never in the path prior to the shooter going airborne. The shooter was coming directly at the camera and you could see her entire torso, unobstructed, until after she was airborne. Only after going airborne did the defender get in the path. Plus, the trail needs to let the lead have that one.

Second play: Charge. Contact even occurred before the shooter was airborne so it was only a matter of getting in the path with both feet down before contact. The defender got in the path got the 2nd foot down just before contact. That was the correct official to make the call and it was incredibly close so I can't fault anyone for having a different opinion on this one.

Play 1: I want to no-call this, but I'm not sure I could justify it to my superior. Block.

Play 2: First angle made me think block, second angle made me think charge. Go figure.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot speak directly for what is expected in NCAA Women's basketball as it relates to these plays. But I do feel there is nothing wrong with a double whistle and nothing wrong with one official in each situation taking this call. It is possible the L was surprised by the play and did not call anything in the first play and waited for the T to take the call. But a double whistle on both would be appropriate in most situations.

Peace

So, when there is a dbl whistle on such plays, how do you sort it out? In your pre-game conference w/partners, what do you do to define your crew's method of determining who takes the call?

[johnny d]

Under the new NCAA-M guidelines, both of these plays would be blocks.

Under last years guidelines, I have charge on both.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I have a charge on #1 & block on #2.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

So, when there is a dbl whistle on such plays, how do you sort it out? In your pre-game conference w/partners, what do you do to define your crew's method of determining who takes the call?

Under the code this game was played, primary takes precedence. I can't speak for NCAAM.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

So, when there is a dbl whistle on such plays, how do you sort it out? In your pre-game conference w/partners, what do you do to define your crew's method of determining who takes the call?

All officials do not see the same things or the entire play, so you can pre-game all you like but that is not going to stop an official that sees a foul to judge this as a foul and call it. Both of these plays IMO can have either official make these calls if they see something. If you have a double whistle, then it usually goes to the primary. Or in some cases if the person saw the beginning of the play is likely going to watch the entire play and make the right call. This is an ebb and flow situation where you have to adjust to each play.

Peace