Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When there has been no concrete examples of how someone really felt they could not move.

Want concrete examples? Alright. Let's count them.

One.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I had to T up a coach this past year because he wouldn't stop complaining to my partner, who, as the administering official, let a player "move" on a designated spot throwin. The coach kept saying, "But he can't move". My partner tried, and I tried, to explain the movement limitations on a designated spot throwin, but he wouldn't accept any of that, he just kept saying, "But he can't move". Eventually, I had to tell him to, "Sit down".

Two.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've T'd a coach over an opponent who "moved" on a spot throw in because he was sure they couldn't "move". Where did he get that idea? From officials who tell the players and coaches "don't move". By saying "don't move" you have confused them, not informed them.

Three.

Originally Posted by JeffM

Player asks me to back the defender up to give him three feet. I told him no, but that he can back up as far as he would like. He points to a spot three feet behind him and asks if that is ok. I told him yes and he could back up all the way to the wall if he would like. The idea seemed foreign to him. I think very few players understand this rule. Otherwise, they would back up more frequently to have a clear passing lane.

[Adam]

4. I've T'd a coach (lower level game) for arguing about a thrower who "traveled."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Want concrete examples? Alright. Let's count them.

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With all due respect, anecdotal situations are not concrete evidence. I have had no adverse situations to what I have said and you have assumed that they are taking this comment so literally. And I have never heard an official, clinician or state person tell me to stop or not to say what you suggested. Those things would mean more to me then some people I have never met or never interacted with other than this site. Sorry, concrete would mean more if there was a directive from the National Federation or the IHSA (in my case). People do not even agree with points people lay out in Referee Magazine which is a national publication and we have to agree with you because you are going to make some list and publish it to your local group?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

With all due respect, anecdotal situations are not concrete evidence.

But, you didn't ask for concrete evidence, you asked for concrete examples. I gave you three concrete examples. Want more?

Originally Posted by Adam

I've T'd a coach (lower level game) for arguing about a thrower who "traveled."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

But, you didn't ask for concrete evidence, you asked for concrete examples. I gave you three concrete examples. Want more?

Concrete examples is more than, "I think they believe this based off of what we say" rather then there are multiple situations that have actually happened that have cause great confusion based on a two word phrase, when you are telling them what is the opposite of what they think they could do. If they ask you "Can I move?" what do you think the opposite of that means to them?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If there was a directive from the National Federation or the IHSA.

Originally Posted by Rob1968

NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2 PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY 2.2.2 C End Line 5. states ; "When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect." - Signal 26 = Spot Throw-in, Signal 23 = Run End Line.

Not a great citation, it begs the question, what's the proper verbal signal?

We do get some proper verbiage from IAABO, but there are only about ten thousand IAABO members out there, and they're not in all fifty states, they're only in thirty-eight states.

IAABO Crew of Two Basketball Officials Manual (Page 38) Throwin E) Throwin Administration 1) Administering official shall visually sweep the floor d) signal type of throwin 1) designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "designated spot")

JRutledge: What does the IHSA say? How about your own "Chicagoland" mechanics? I know that you guys use your own mechanics. Go anything in writing?