I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[fullor30]

Regarding the excuse of not enough money for three man crews, ever look around a game and notice how many staff bodies there are from schools who act as whatever?

I think it's safe to say they could cut back on the 8,9,10 + folks who I'm sure are making at least if not more than we are.

Elimanate one, and you have a three man crew.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Regarding the excuse of not enough money for three man crews, ever look around a game and notice how many staff bodies there are from schools who act as whatever?

I think it's safe to say they could cut back on the 8,9,10 + folks who I'm sure are making at least if not more than we are.

Elimanate one, and you have a three man crew.

Heresy! Eliminate one of those make work jobs for teachers?

They'd sooner eliminate us entirely.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

Heresy! Eliminate one of those make work jobs for teachers?

They'd sooner eliminate us entirely.

Don't get me started on teacher, union, pay issues.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Don't get me started on teacher, union, pay issues.

... and don't get me to finish it (says a retired teacher, with three college degrees, who had to work second, and third, jobs for over twenty years to move into the middle class, purchase a moderately sized home (2000 square feet) with a thirty year mortgage, that I'm still paying off, and who is always paying off four year car loans on two moderately priced cars that the family keeps for eight years, and then don't get me started on doing "schoolwork" at home at night, on weekends, and during non-paid vacations, and non-paid holidays, yeah, that's right, at least here in Connecticut, teachers don't get paid for vacations, and holidays). Can you tell that I wasn't an English teacher?

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and don't get me to finish it (says a retired teacher, with three college degrees, who had to work second, and third, jobs for over twenty years to move into the middle class, purchase a moderately sized home (2000 square feet) with a thirty year mortgage, that I'm still paying off, and who is always paying off four year car loans on two moderately priced cars that the family keeps for eight years, and then don't get me started on working at home at night, on weekends, and during non-paid vacations, and non-paid holidays, yeah, that's right, at least here in Connecticut, teachers don't get paid for vacations, and holidays). Can you tell that I wasn't an English teacher?

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

Move here. I've seen the checks at some schools and they were bigger than mine.

And why is it that teachers get first crack at these scorer/timer gigs, anyway? Scorers and timers are supposed to be officials according to the NFHS -- why aren't those positions filled in the same way as officiating slots?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

Move here. I've seen the checks at some schools and they were bigger than mine.

Drivers Ed in Illinois 140,000

Retire on 80% of that with guaranteed
3% increase every year

Cry me an ocean

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

That's why I ref now . That, and I love basketball, kids, and a bit of exercise. Also have a great partner, another greedy school teacher. Our conference is smaller that's probably why the pay is lower, but I worked those games to support my students not to make a million.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

These are "voluntary" positions. People request to do these things. The rate of pay is the going rate and what you signed up for to work as the scorekeeper, timer, etc. These positions give staff members an opportunity to earn a few extra bucks without the headache of having to take the additional work home with you.

Don't complain about something you volunteered to do. If it is about the money, find another job where you can sit, enjoy a free sporting event, and have no real authority or responsibility to supervise people.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Don't get me started on teacher, union, pay issues.

Oh, but its for the kids!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Don't get me started on teacher, union, pay issues.

I changed careers and am now a teacher. Don't assume that every teacher is a union member. And, by the same token, don't assume that all teachers are tenured.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I changed careers and am now a teacher. Don't assume that every teacher is a union member. And, by the same token, don't assume that all teachers are tenured.

Don't think I did.... On both. ???

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Regarding the excuse of not enough money for three man crews, ever look around a game and notice how many staff bodies there are from schools who act as whatever?

I think it's safe to say they could cut back on the 8,9,10 + folks who I'm sure are making at least if not more than we are.

Elimanate one, and you have a three man crew.

Really? Really? Eliminate teaching positions in favor of getting 3 man crews?

That's ****ing ridiculous.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Really? Really? Eliminate teaching positions in favor of getting 3 man crews?

That's ****ing ridiculous.

I think he's talking about the extra money they're spending for the overtime for each of those teachers "working" at the game; not actually firing teachers but giving them a bit less overtime to sit in the corner of the gym during the basketball game.