I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and don't get me to finish it (says a retired teacher, with three college degrees, who had to work second, and third, jobs for over twenty years to move into the middle class, purchase a moderately sized home (2000 square feet) with a thirty year mortgage, that I'm still paying off, and who is always paying off four year car loans on two moderately priced cars that the family keeps for eight years, and then don't get me started on working at home at night, on weekends, and during non-paid vacations, and non-paid holidays, yeah, that's right, at least here in Connecticut, teachers don't get paid for vacations, and holidays). Can you tell that I wasn't an English teacher?

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

Move here. I've seen the checks at some schools and they were bigger than mine.

And why is it that teachers get first crack at these scorer/timer gigs, anyway? Scorers and timers are supposed to be officials according to the NFHS -- why aren't those positions filled in the same way as officiating slots?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

Move here. I've seen the checks at some schools and they were bigger than mine.

Drivers Ed in Illinois 140,000

Retire on 80% of that with guaranteed
3% increase every year

Cry me an ocean

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Retire on 80% of that with guaranteed 3% increase every year.

Maximum 70%, based on a formula combining age, service and the average of the highest three years of paid salary, here in Connecticut, with no Social Security benefits based on my teaching career, and I paid 7.25% of my salary into the retirement fund every year for almost thirty-five years. I had absolutely no control over how my money that I contributed into my pension fund was invested. It's not a "guaranteed 3% increase every year", is a cost of living adjustment based on the annual inflation rate, with no increase two of the past four years.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Regarding the excuse of not enough money for three man crews, ever look around a game and notice how many staff bodies there are from schools who act as whatever?

I think it's safe to say they could cut back on the 8,9,10 + folks who I'm sure are making at least if not more than we are.

Elimanate one, and you have a three man crew.

A lot of those people aren't necessarily being paid. I work at a high school and I went to several games after my season was done. It probably looked like I was "supervising" when I was really just standing there.

Originally Posted by Rich

Heresy! Eliminate one of those make work jobs for teachers?

They'd sooner eliminate us entirely.

Originally Posted by Adam

I think he's talking about the extra money they're spending for the overtime for each of those teachers "working" at the game; not actually firing teachers but giving them a bit less overtime to sit in the corner of the gym during the basketball game.

Around here, no one supervising or working the table makes anywhere close to what officials make. It's something like $30-40 for the whole night. Not exactly living high on the hog.

Originally Posted by Rich

Exactly. Or maybe stop paying teachers keeping the book more than they pay the game officials.

Instead, they'll have 8 teachers there drawing pay and maybe an off duty cop or two but when it comes to a third official there's no money. Cry me a river.

Eight teachers all making more than the officials? Really?

Originally Posted by fullor30

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

A lot of those people aren't necessarily being paid. I work at a high school and I went to several games after my season was done. It probably looked like I was "supervising" when I was really just standing there.





Around here, no one supervising or working the table makes anywhere close to what officials make. It's something like $30-40 for the whole night. Not exactly living high on the hog.



Eight teachers all making more than the officials? Really?



You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate.

This is probably a very local issue, but yes in this area there are teachers and "volunteers" getting paid more than the game officials to either work the table or to be on the chain gang. Yes that is widely known here. There is also a problem because some local teacher's unions and their contract with the local school district made it where union members were to work these positions and get paid to do so.

And yes no one forces us to do anything, but then those should not complain when they get people with ulterior motives when they take a game other than what they want to "think" we should be taking games for. And then cry poor when we want more officials for a contest or raise the pay to cover costs to work the game. It is often here expected for officials to travel from certain distances, but then they have not changed the pay scale and then complain that the game is not "safe" for the players. Last time I checked the table people did not directly make the playing environment safer.

Peace

[BillyMac]

(He hasn't posted since August 30, 2012.)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Last time I checked the table people did not directly make the playing environment safer.

Sounds like a job for the "Eagle".

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by zm1283

A lot of those people aren't necessarily being paid. I work at a high school and I went to several games after my season was done. It probably looked like I was "supervising" when I was really just standing there.





Around here, no one supervising or working the table makes anywhere close to what officials make. It's something like $30-40 for the whole night. Not exactly living high on the hog.



Eight teachers all making more than the officials? Really?



You know guys, if it's that bad, get out of officiating and get into teaching so you can take advantage of all these perks. No one forces you to officiate.

You're missing the point which is schools are free with paying extras to hang around and yet have no funds for a third official.

[26 Year Gap]

I don't disagree that there is little additional overhead for a third official. Assuming 10 home games and even a slightly reduced rate (We generally are paid $5 less for 3 person crews), a school would have about a $500 added expense for the season. Per gender. Here in FL, I rarely call games with 2 on the crew at the varsity level. Last year, the school district experimented with cutting back to 3 mandatory games with 3 on the crew per gender. Back to normal this year.

The crowds, if you can call them that, are very small at many gyms. Especially, at girls games. However, I notice sponsor banners or signs in every gym, so I suspect that funds are available, but it is how they are spent that is the big issue. I hope at the subject school, that most of those "assistants" (who I suspect are assisting because their kid is on the team and they push for PT at every opportunity) are UNPAID. And even at that, most of them are OVERPAID.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by fullor30

You're missing the point which is schools are free with paying extras to hang around and yet have no funds for a third official.

No, I get the point clearly. I'm saying that in most places they don't just pay 10 people to stand around and do nothing. (And like I said, even if there are people standing around, MOST of the time you have no idea who is getting paid and who isn't) I also contend that in most places the table workers, supervisors, gate workers, etc. are not paid more than the officials. If they are in some places, that is the exception and not the rule.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Illinois pays almost double for scorer table duties. As a teacher at your school, how much extra in gas and don't forget windshield time

Typical varsity game for me say an hour to get there, arrive an hour before game time 1:15. 1:30 for game 15 minutes after game and hour drive home

So roughly over four hours, and 10, 12 for gas for a 60 buck check

That's why I ref now . That, and I love basketball, kids, and a bit of exercise. Also have a great partner, another greedy school teacher. Our conference is smaller that's probably why the pay is lower, but I worked those games to support my students not to make a million.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Love this! As a current teacher, coach, table worker, and official, I make $32 to score the basketball game from 5:30 to likely 9:30 or 10. As a math teacher, that is darn near minimum wage. My timer compadre is even lower at 28 bucks. The supervisor is even lower at $20, that's below minimum wage when they have to deal with unruly fans. Don't slam teachers, period. If you want to, I will need your name and phone number to substitute for me next Tuesday.

These are "voluntary" positions. People request to do these things. The rate of pay is the going rate and what you signed up for to work as the scorekeeper, timer, etc. These positions give staff members an opportunity to earn a few extra bucks without the headache of having to take the additional work home with you.

Don't complain about something you volunteered to do. If it is about the money, find another job where you can sit, enjoy a free sporting event, and have no real authority or responsibility to supervise people.