Video request - another block/charge

[gslefeb]

At :20 secs... Looks like defender obtains LGP while A1 is two steps away. Then the defender moves laterally and contact is in the chest.

[twocentsworth]

I'd go PC on this...

here's my philosophy: "a block is a block, a charge is a charge, and everything else is a charge".

translation: the obvious blocking fouls are blocks, the obvious charges should be called a charge, and everything else in between those two - are charges.

officials default to a blocking foul WAY too much, imho.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I'd go PC on this...

here's my philosophy: "a block is a block, a charge is a charge, and everything else is a charge".

translation: the obvious blocking fouls are blocks, the obvious charges should be called a charge, and everything else in between those two - are charges.

officials default to a blocking foul WAY too much, imho.

I'd rather apply consistent principles than default to anything. I could see this one going either way, especially having to do so in real time.

[Da Official]

Not sure what else the defender could have done better.....LGP is there...I would have liked an offensive foul there but close enough where a block is acceptable.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd rather apply consistent principles than default to anything. I could see this one going either way, especially having to do so in real time.

Was there a similar 50/50 play that was called a block earlier in the game?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

[Camron Rust]

Charge....very close...but still a charge.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

You're exaggerating. This was an extremely close call and the responses here prove that to me. It's why I wanted to put it up for us to look at.

I respect the block call. I would've respected a PC call. It is really, really close.

Sometimes I think the "default to charge" mentality has taken the old "it's always a block" and swung completely the other way. I think a lot of officials at lower levels aren't looking at the plays and when there's a crash, just going the other way. Not at this level and I'm not talking about anyone here.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You're exaggerating. This was an extremely close call and the responses here prove that to me. It's why I wanted to put it up for us to look at.

I respect the block call. I would've respected a PC call. It is really, really close.

Sometimes I think the "default to charge" mentality has taken the old "it's always a block" and swung completely the other way. I think a lot of officials at lower levels aren't looking at the plays and when there's a crash, just going the other way. Not at this level and I'm not talking about anyone here.

Rich:

With all do respect, I thought it was an easy call. Either the defender established a LGP or he didn't and I thought it was a no brainer, at least for me, that it was a charge.

It is my opinion that too many times a block is called on a bang-bang block/charge, when it really is a charge, and this is because the official either does not the rule, fails to officiate the defense, or (at the H.S. level) is afraid to call a charge because a block is the expected call by coaches in far too many areas.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

CHARGE

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

He continues to reach new plateaus.

[Texas Aggie]

PC, and I don't think its really that close. Then again, I come out of the locker room calling charges.

Seriously, we have to stop chickening-out (in my view what happens) on these calls. I feel like too many officials think the block is the "safe" call. Hold the defender to the guidelines of the rule and nothing more. We protect the shooter only in situations where the defender initiated or is otherwise responsible for the contact.

[Rob1968]

It's a running jumpshot, with the shooter's right foot leaving the playing surface before the left. From the Lead's position, he sees the right foot off the floor, and judges that he's in the air. Hence, the block call.
But, with our other angles, and slow motion, we see that the shooter is not actually in the air until after the defender has LGP. Thus, PC.