End of Game - State Tourney

[referee99]

Originally Posted by richmsn

i disagree with this. This is the t's call all the way. No r has the right to overrule a last second shot, in my opinion.

+1

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

I could only really see this happening in a two man game where it's so obvious to everyone in attendance that the umpire missed the call..bad enough to where the R is going to come in and give him information. Then again, in a situation like that, I would hope that the other official could be convinced.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

I think this was put in place to settle arguments on the court. If the R refuses to believe my information on a call like this, I will make sure to avoid him in the future. If he disagrees with a rule I give him and applies it incorrectly, then I am calling my assigner.
I'd like to think that a partner would have my back on any judgement calls, especially my R. This is an example of being big timed and not trusting your partner.

[Camron Rust]

The only time I can imagine this reasonably happening is on a turnover/transition play where the R is the lead and right with the ball, looking through the play, while the trail is a LONG way from the play and can't see through the play yets makes a decision that is clearly wrong.

I'd hope that the trail would yield to the lead on such plays as a matter of practice where only the lead has a decent look but, if they don't, the R has the rules direction to make it right.

In fact, this sort of play is part of my pregame.....trail only has the last second shot from the frontcourt when the trail has made it to the frontcourt, if it is a full court pass to a last-second shot in the frontcourt, the lead should take it.

[refiator]

Ahhh...The Sunday morning quarterback. We all know its easier when you can replay over and over, but when you are there, in the thick of things, its tough to judge the angles the officials had.
That said, the player in black traveled.....

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OP Comment: I think the first play was not a travel as players were going after the ball. If anything she did not have control of the ball. Agree

The last play was a travel. The first hop step was OK, but then she hopped again and that was a travel. Where was the 2nd hop? you talking about the hop to jump up and shoot. Perfect jump stop to finish play. She did pick up pivot foot before the start of dribble (that is the travel in this play)

CIF Last Second shot: Surprised this was missed. This is why we need a last second shot on all TV games at that level. Too much at stake IMO. The lead should not be giving information on this play in my opinion.

Peace

My interpretation,

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed. I thought the home player traveled stepping back for the three earlier in the game.

The step back at 1:17 ??? How?? She catches with right foot on floor and never lifts this foot. She could have jumped off of this foot and landed on 2 feet as an option.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

More like the trail (U2) waves off the shot, the Lead (U1) runs in counting the basket. The R, who has no idea either way, comes and says it was the Trails call to make and that's what we are sticking with.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jump stop

The step back at 1:17 ??? How?? She catches with right foot on floor and never lifts this foot. She could have jumped off of this foot and landed on 2 feet as an option.

Please read my follow up post.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

I didn't say it should be used lightly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

More like the trail (U2) waves off the shot, the Lead (U1) runs in counting the basket. The R, who has no idea either way, comes and says it was the Trails call to make and that's what we are sticking with.

Sure, but the problem is that this extends to a call where the R is one of the two parties.

In football, I'm the white hat and I have the rules support and the custom and practice so that I can overturn just about any decision made by a crew member. And yet it's the one "power" I just about never use. I think last season I had one situation where two other crew members disagreed and I had to mediate by asking the right questions, listening, telling the one that we're going with the other's decision, etc. It's not a pleasant situation even when I'm wearing a special hat.

In basketball, the powers granted to the R should stay away unless there's a disagreement between the two Us. If my T says it's no good and it's her responsibility, then the only way *any* official should come in is if it's so wrong that not coming in would be a travesty. And then both officials should be coming to the T anyway.

Otherwise, we start getting five second calls from halfcourt on an end line throw-in.

[Nevadaref]

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

[Duffman]

In the second play I can't figure out why they even put themselves in this situation. Why not inbound the ball from the other side of the lane and give C the last shot. It's much easier for C to get into good position to see this, especially when a long inbound pass is likely.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

Good catch on headbands! The fact the crew didn't catch this isn't surprising given what we've seen on video, what is shocking is that Iowa state big wigs who surely were in attendance and monitoring this game were asleep at the wheel. I know this wouldn't happen in Illinois and I'm sure your state too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

That wasn't in Wisconsin. The girls playoffs don't start here until tomorrow night. My 50 point blowout awaits.