End of Game - State Tourney

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I would generally agree with this in principle, the rules disagree....

While 2-6 says they don't generally have such a right, 2-5-3 gives them that right in this specific situation.

Rule 2-6 Officials' Authority
No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

Rule 2-5 Referee's Duties During Game
ART. 3 . . . Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials disagree.

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

I could only really see this happening in a two man game where it's so obvious to everyone in attendance that the umpire missed the call..bad enough to where the R is going to come in and give him information. Then again, in a situation like that, I would hope that the other official could be convinced.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

I think this was put in place to settle arguments on the court. If the R refuses to believe my information on a call like this, I will make sure to avoid him in the future. If he disagrees with a rule I give him and applies it incorrectly, then I am calling my assigner.
I'd like to think that a partner would have my back on any judgement calls, especially my R. This is an example of being big timed and not trusting your partner.

[Camron Rust]

The only time I can imagine this reasonably happening is on a turnover/transition play where the R is the lead and right with the ball, looking through the play, while the trail is a LONG way from the play and can't see through the play yets makes a decision that is clearly wrong.

I'd hope that the trail would yield to the lead on such plays as a matter of practice where only the lead has a decent look but, if they don't, the R has the rules direction to make it right.

In fact, this sort of play is part of my pregame.....trail only has the last second shot from the frontcourt when the trail has made it to the frontcourt, if it is a full court pass to a last-second shot in the frontcourt, the lead should take it.

[refiator]

Ahhh...The Sunday morning quarterback. We all know its easier when you can replay over and over, but when you are there, in the thick of things, its tough to judge the angles the officials had.
That said, the player in black traveled.....

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

More like the trail (U2) waves off the shot, the Lead (U1) runs in counting the basket. The R, who has no idea either way, comes and says it was the Trails call to make and that's what we are sticking with.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

More like the trail (U2) waves off the shot, the Lead (U1) runs in counting the basket. The R, who has no idea either way, comes and says it was the Trails call to make and that's what we are sticking with.

Sure, but the problem is that this extends to a call where the R is one of the two parties.

In football, I'm the white hat and I have the rules support and the custom and practice so that I can overturn just about any decision made by a crew member. And yet it's the one "power" I just about never use. I think last season I had one situation where two other crew members disagreed and I had to mediate by asking the right questions, listening, telling the one that we're going with the other's decision, etc. It's not a pleasant situation even when I'm wearing a special hat.

In basketball, the powers granted to the R should stay away unless there's a disagreement between the two Us. If my T says it's no good and it's her responsibility, then the only way *any* official should come in is if it's so wrong that not coming in would be a travesty. And then both officials should be coming to the T anyway.

Otherwise, we start getting five second calls from halfcourt on an end line throw-in.

[Nevadaref]

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

[Duffman]

In the second play I can't figure out why they even put themselves in this situation. Why not inbound the ball from the other side of the lane and give C the last shot. It's much easier for C to get into good position to see this, especially when a long inbound pass is likely.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

Good catch on headbands! The fact the crew didn't catch this isn't surprising given what we've seen on video, what is shocking is that Iowa state big wigs who surely were in attendance and monitoring this game were asleep at the wheel. I know this wouldn't happen in Illinois and I'm sure your state too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

That wasn't in Wisconsin. The girls playoffs don't start here until tomorrow night. My 50 point blowout awaits.

[fullor30]

Snaqs.....aren't you in Iowa?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Snaqs.....aren't you in Iowa?

Not anymore. Moved to the mountains 6 years ago.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That wasn't in Wisconsin. The girls playoffs don't start here until tomorrow night. My 50 point blowout awaits.

67-15. I was pretty close.

[jalons]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Forget all of the travel decisions and whether the try was released in time, there is a much bigger issue here--two of the players for the team in white in the Wisconsin game are wearing different colored headbands!
Very obvious when they are sitting next to each other on the bench during the time-out. One has red and the other has black.

In Iowa, we follow this adaptation:

Wristbands and Headwear - We will be adhering to Rules 3-5-3 and 3-6 regarding wristbands and headwear with the following exceptions. Anything worn in the hair (including headbands) must be soft and unadorned but maybe any color or multi-colored and do not have to match for all teammates. Bobby pins 2” or less will also be allowed. Wristbands may be any color or multi-colored and do not have to match for all teammates, but must be moisture-absorbing material. Lance Armstrong bracelets, rubber bands, etc., are still illegal as they are not moisture absorbing.