End of Game - State Tourney

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

No

Agreed. She's in position in plenty of time. Shot's long gone before contact, and the shooter is back on the floor. Either is sufficient for letting this go.

[ballgame99]

In the second play, what should the T do if they KNOW the bucket should not count? Can the T overule both of the other officials? The T obviously didn't feel that strongly about her waive off if she let them talk her out of it.

And if I'm white's coach, I'm having a discussion with the girl that looks like she tries to take a charge on the half court shot. What are you doing? Same with the girl that reaches in in the backcourt.

And on the OP, no travel on white, but black stole the ball anyway; and then a travel on black on the first step. Probably a no call on her jump stop at the basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

In the second play, what should the T do if they KNOW the bucket should not count? Can the T overule both of the other officials? The T obviously didn't feel that strongly about her waive off if she let them talk her out of it.

And if I'm white's coach, I'm having a discussion with the girl that looks like she tries to take a charge on the half court shot. What are you doing? Same with the girl that reaches in in the backcourt.

If the officials disagree, it's up to the R to decide.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tw1ns

Are you talking about the girls game in the initial video, before my thread got taken over? With the girl crying and blaming herself?

That's the one. It appears that that tournament has actual press conferences. We certainly do that around here for colleges, but not for high schools.

As a result, I admittedly got a little uneasy about watching that aforementioned girl. I think that stage is too big for kids dealing with big losses like that. Here, we just televise the winners' post-game.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the officials disagree, it's up to the R to decide.

So if the T isn't the R, it would be up to the T to state their case persuasively enough to have the R back them then. Good to know.

[tw1ns]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's the one. It appears that that tournament has actual press conferences. We certainly do that around here for colleges, but not for high schools.

As a result, I admittedly got a little uneasy about watching that aforementioned girl. I think that stage is too big for kids dealing with big losses like that. Here, we just televise the winners' post-game.

Local team....as in the TV station is in Mason City, losing team. Been interviewing them all year. No worries....she is a Junior, committed to Iowa State, and have 3 returning starters and a nice bench. Should get back to State next year.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

In the second play, what should the T do if they KNOW the bucket should not count? Can the T overule both of the other officials? The T obviously didn't feel that strongly about her waive off if she let them talk her out of it.

And if I'm white's coach, I'm having a discussion with the girl that looks like she tries to take a charge on the half court shot. What are you doing? Same with the girl that reaches in in the backcourt.

And on the OP, no travel on white, but black stole the ball anyway; and then a travel on black on the first step. Probably a no call on her jump stop at the basket.

Disagree with all of your points

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's the one. It appears that that tournament has actual press conferences. We certainly do that around here for colleges, but not for high schools.

As a result, I admittedly got a little uneasy about watching that aforementioned girl. I think that stage is too big for kids dealing with big losses like that. Here, we just televise the winners' post-game.

Agreed, a few schools around here don't allow players to be even quoted.

I thought both girls did a terrific job in front of camera

[ballgame99]

Fullor you disagree with all of my points?

Originally Posted by fullor30

1) no travel in lane
2) game winner......pretty obvious travel to me.

Looks like you agree with a couple.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Fullor you disagree with all of my points?



Looks like you agree with a couple.

well, almost.....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I thought both girls did a terrific job in front of camera

Agree. Schools, coaches, and parents, of both girls should be very proud. Sports are fun, but there have to be winners, and losers. Both of these girls were winners on the big stage.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the officials disagree, it's up to the R to decide.

I disagree with this. This is the T's call all the way. No R has the right to overrule a last second shot, in my opinion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I disagree with this. This is the T's call all the way. No R has the right to overrule a last second shot, in my opinion.

While I would generally agree with this in principle, the rules disagree....

While 2-6 says they don't generally have such a right, 2-5-3 gives them that right in this specific situation.

Rule 2-6 Officials' Authority
No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

Rule 2-5 Referee's Duties During Game
ART. 3 . . . Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials disagree.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I would generally agree with this in principle, the rules disagree....

While 2-6 says they don't generally have such a right, 2-5-3 gives them that right in this specific situation.

Rule 2-6 Officials' Authority
No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

Rule 2-5 Referee's Duties During Game
ART. 3 . . . Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials disagree.

I just know that in my games I would never, ever think that I can jump in, say I disagree, then say, "I'm the R and since we disagree I'm going to overrule you."

Career ender, or at least it should be.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by richmsn

the one at the end, though, was like fred flintstone driving a car.

+1