Incorrect travel

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Tref:

1989 mind set!! Listen up whippersnapper! I have forgotten more about basketball officiating and still know more than you do about basketball officiating. You do not know the first thing about basketball officiating. You don't know difference between officiating your PCA and officiating Off Ball outside of your PCA. If you and I were on the same officiating crew and you tried to pull that horse manure with me, I would rip you a new tuchus at halftime.

MTD, Sr.

I'm sorry, but LOL @ this...this smacks of a partner that NEVER, EVER wants an official to call in his primary area.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm sorry, but LOL @ this...this smacks of a partner that NEVER, EVER wants an official to call in his primary area.

Come on now....we're talking about making violation calls that are close and tough to see from 40 feet away where it is more likely a matter of judgement than a matter of who is right...and I'm going with the guy 10' from the play over the lead who is 40' away and shouldn't even be looking that on a play that is not by any stretch of the imagination an OMG play. If he had come in to get it, we may very well have had another poster writing about a partner who made an AT&T call and got it completely wrong.

Plus, I have a hard time believing the trail was looking at backs and butt on a trap at half court but the lead had a clear view into the play...that seems like the trappers were on the wrong side of the play and the offensive player would have had a clear path to the basket....or the description is not quite accurate.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Come on now....we're talking about making violation calls that are close and tough to see from 40 feet away where it is more likely a matter of judgement than a matter of who is right...and I'm going with the guy 10' from the play over the lead who is 40' away and shouldn't even be looking that on a play that is not by any stretch of the imagination an OMG play. If he had come in to get it, we may very well have had another poster writing about a partner who made an AT&T call and got it completely wrong.

Plus, I have a hard time believing the trail was looking at backs and butt on a trap at half court but the lead had a clear view into the play...that seems like the trappers were on the wrong side of the play and the offensive player would have had a clear path to the basket....or the description is not quite accurate.

I would rather see a clip before I'm 100 percent whether the lead should have been looking out there. I could envision a scenario where the lead could be looking out there. From what tref has told us, his partner was glad he got the additional information. Plus the people who assigned him the game said the particular plays were egregious and important enough to where the additional information given on the play was the right thing to do. Obviously, he did something right. And ultimately, the tape will prove whether he was right or not.

I guess I had more of a problem with how MTD responded more than anything. We can debate whether the off-ball official could/should have/or not helped with additional information, but that's exactly what this should be...a discussion. No need to imply incompetence by saying tref has no idea or concept about something as simple as PCA's or officiating off-ball outside one's PCA.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm sorry, but LOL @ this...this smacks of a partner that NEVER, EVER wants an official to call in his primary area.

APG:

You didn't read what I said. I do not have a problem with a partner who officiates Off The Ball (OfTB) out of his PCA. When there are ten players on the court and the game is being officiated by a Two-Person Crew (TwPC), that type of officiating is very important. But if the OfTB official is a Ball Watcher, then there can and will be problems. I and many other esteemed members of this Forum have stated before, when an official is Ball Watching outside of his PCA, bad things can and will happen.

Tref gives me the vib that he is a Ball Watcher. The Three-Person Crew (ThPC) was created so that there will be times when there will be two eyes On The Ball (OnTB) and four eyes OfTB, and that there will be times when there will be four eyes OnTB and two eyes OfTB. In the latter situation there will one official will be considered the Primary Official OnTB and the other official will be considered the Secondary Official OnTB, and ball and location and where the play started will dictate who is who (or is it whom is what, LOL?); that type of knowledge comes from experience.

MTD, Sr.