Ejection and aftermath

[JerryLundagard]

Totally agree that this is not the way I want to end the game. However it is the coach that has made that decision, not me.

The penalty is not a secret. Two direct techical fouls are you are disqualified. Why do I need to jump through hoops for the coach that wants to act like a fool. I am not the one penalizing the kids, he is.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JerryLundagard

Totally agree that this is not the way I want to end the game. However it is the coach that has made that decision, not me.

The penalty is not a secret. Two direct techical fouls are you are disqualified. Why do I need to jump through hoops for the coach that wants to act like a fool. I am not the one penalizing the kids, he is.

I'm with you. What was the game situation when this happened?

[JerryLundagard]

I think it was about a 10 point game at the time. There was a little over three minutes left in the game. So at the time the game was still in doubt.

While I would hate to not finish a game in that situation, I kind of feel that is up to the coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JerryLundagard

While I would hate to not finish a game in that situation, I kind of feel that is up to the coach.

You did not answer my question. Are you going to forfeit the game on the spot because the coach said they are not leaving?

Peace

[JerryLundagard]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You did not answer my question. Are you going to forfeit the game on the spot because the coach said they are not leaving?

Peace

No I am not going to end the game on the spot. I am going to give the coach a chance to leave. How far, its hard to say. I want to make sure I can defend my actions. I dont want pull the trigger to quick but I also dont want him to make a mockery of the game. In the end though it is up to him.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by JerryLundagard

I think it was about a 10 point game at the time. There was a little over three minutes left in the game. So at the time the game was still in doubt.

While I would hate to not finish a game in that situation, I kind of feel that is up to the coach.

... it's obvious he's out of control, so put him out of the picture because he's shown he's unreasonable enough to not care how his behavior affects his team's chances. For me, at this point, it's game management's responsibility to get him out of there, and quick. Fortunately, we have LEOs at our games, and they have no issue with making sure anyone who needs to leave, leaves.

However, if game management were unwilling or unable to handle this, I'd suspend the game, write my report, and let the state decide the next steps.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

... it's obvious he's out of control, so put him out of the picture because he's shown he's unreasonable enough to not care how his behavior affects his team's chances. For me, at this point, it's game management's responsibility to get him out of there, and quick. Fortunately, we have LEOs at our games, and they have no issue with making sure anyone who needs to leave, leaves.

However, if game management were unwilling or unable to handle this, I'd suspend the game, write my report, and let the state decide the next steps.

That was another point which popped into my head. If the coach has picked up two direct Ts it's safe to say he hasn't been a solid citizen during the game. He's already taken up the crew's time and the players' time with his behavior.

I still don't see a need to bother game management. I was involved in a game - non-playoff - like this a few years ago and this is what my partner said to the coach:

1. "Coach, you need to leave the court."
2. "Coach, you need to leave the court."
3. "Coach, we're not restarting the game until you leave the court."
4. "Coach, if you don't leave the court we're going to call the game."

It all took about two minutes and the coach left.

One other consideration: if it's a District game wouldn't there be a representative from the coach's school in the gym? I ask because they would see how this person is representing their school and might be inclined to back up the officials if the coach got out of control.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Ya. Could be. Just spelled a little different, don't ya know!

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Awesome! Thanks for the laugh!

Truth be told, I have relatives in Linton, ND (near Bismark).

PS - and some of them do talk like that.....it's true, it's true!

[Mark Padgett]

Here in the sovereign state of Treehugger, if anyone doesn't leave a sports venue when directed to do so by a person in authority, they can be cited for trespass. This means that if I get someone (spectator, coach, player, etc.) like that, I can call the cops to come and take them away. This is a state law that was passed a few years ago.

I hope I never have to do that - not kidding.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JerryLundagard

Totally agree that this is not the way I want to end the game. However it is the coach that has made that decision, not me.

The penalty is not a secret. Two direct techical fouls are you are disqualified. Why do I need to jump through hoops for the coach that wants to act like a fool. I am not the one penalizing the kids, he is.

I understand where you are coming from, but are you just going to forfeit the game because a coach tells you they are not leaving and then without hesitation forfeit the game? Give them a chance to leave that is all I am saying. At the very least tell them you do have the right to forfeit the game. But I would not just do this just because a coach made a threat. If GM can help, use them. What is the harm? Because your stance on the rules does not give a specific time limit or how you accomplish this. And your state, area or conference might have a method of policy to handle these as well. To say that there a rule is making the situation very simplistic IMO. I am just saying be cautious before you pull that trigger. Once you pull the trigger, you cannot pull it back and the powers that be might have an opinion about not giving them at least 5 minutes to solve the problem. I was in a situation in another sport and my partner did the same. The sports administrator said he made the decision too quickly. So someone with a little more power or in a decision making process might have another opinion. Five minutes is not a major problem. If you said 10 minutes than that is another story.

Peace

[JerryLundagard]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I understand where you are coming from, but are you just going to forfeit the game because a coach tells you they are not leaving and then without hesitation forfeit the game? Give them a chance to leave that is all I am saying. At the very least tell them you do have the right to forfeit the game. But I would not just do this just because a coach made a threat. If GM can help, use them. What is the harm? Because your stance on the rules does not give a specific time limit or how you accomplish this. And your state, area or conference might have a method of policy to handle these as well. To say that there a rule is making the situation very simplistic IMO. I am just saying be cautious before you pull that trigger. Once you pull the trigger, you cannot pull it back and the powers that be might have an opinion about not giving them at least 5 minutes to solve the problem. I was in a situation in another sport and my partner did the same. The sports administrator said he made the decision too quickly. So someone with a little more power or in a decision making process might have another opinion. Five minutes is not a major problem. If you said 10 minutes than that is another story.

Peace

Valid points, I dont think anyone wants to be the guy that forfeited the game. And if in that situation, I am not sure I would have handled it any differently.

It just makes me wonder, the responsibility for the coaches behavior lies with the coach. He chose to behave in such a manner. I dont think his actions can be defended. If the game is forfeited it is because of him. He is in the wrong. Why do the officials need to bend over backwards to accomodate someone that is clearly in the wrong.

And I know that someone will bring up the kids. Why doesnt the coach take into account the kids when it his behavior that is causing the problem.