Ejection and aftermath

[Brad]

If you let game management handle it, the coach is the one that is going to get in trouble for his behavior afterwards. If you forfeit the game, you are the one that is going to receive all of the scrutiny.

The rulebook says "Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited." (emphasis mine)

The may part is important. It's not a hard and fast requirement. And there is no 60 seconds either — the rule book says they are to leave the vicinity "immediately".

So, if you put 60 seconds on the clock and then forfeit the game, what will be said afterwards? That you didn't apply the rule correctly.

Just let game management and the police officers handle it. That's the most common-sensical approach as well as the one that is going to keep you out of hot water.

[Smitty]

I'm with JRut on this one. No way I'm forfeiting a playoff/district game unless I've done everything else in my power to remedy the situation. I think it's funny that some people claim that we'd do this by the book if it was them, but let me know what you did when you find yourself in this situation - in a playoff game. Then let me know if you get any more playoff games.

[asdf]

I look at it this way....

Forfeits are to be used only when the resumption of the game cannot be executed for obvious reasons. Safety of the competitors, fans and officials and refusal of a team to return to play are the two that immediately come to mind.

You had Law Enforcement involved. Let them do their thing and get things rolling afterwards.

Penalizing the kids more than they already have been penalized (with the T's) isn't in order here.

[Texas Aggie]

5 minutes is not a long time

I can't come close to agreeing with this. It can work as a disadvantage to the team ahead in all sorts of ways -- momentum, cooling down, freaking them out (i.e. the John McEnroe effect on his opponent), etc. This needs to be handled within a minute to a minute and a half tops.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JerryLundagard

JerryLundagard

Isn't Jerry Lundagard the guy from Fargo?

[billyu2]

Sportsmanship in general and the conduct of coaches and bench personnel in particular has been a major point of emphasis over the last several years. My feeling on this is that state associations do not want to be embarrassed (especially during their tournament games) by coaches who make unsportsmanlike spectacles of themselves. In addition, I'm going to go out on the limb perhaps, by saying it's very possible state associations would prefer that this particular coach in the OP or any coach not be allowed by tournament officials to set a precedent for other coaches and for the game of high school basketball that it is okay, when ejected, to defiantly stand your ground and wait heroically for both the game management and the police (after a 4-5 minute standoff) to finally be escorted from the gym.
Just my opinion-I could be wrong.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Sportsmanship in general and the conduct of coaches and bench personnel in particular has been a major point of emphasis over the last several years. My feeling on this is that state associations do not want to be embarrassed (especially during their tournament games) by coaches who make unsportsmanlike spectacles of themselves. In addition, I'm going to go out on the limb perhaps, by saying it's very possible state associations would prefer that this particular coach in the OP or any coach not be allowed by tournament officials to set a precedent for other coaches and for the game of high school basketball that it is okay, when ejected, to defiantly stand your ground and wait heroically for both the game management and the police (after a 4-5 minute standoff) to finally be escorted from the gym.
Just my opinion-I could be wrong.

I agree with Billy.

I would think the state association wouldn't be too happy knowing a game was stopped for five minutes - or more - so a coach who'd already been ejected could be led away by law enforcement...after he'd already argued with game management. I'd feel bad stopping the game but not that bad given the situation.

If the coach is acting up to the point that the crew feels the need to call in the cavalry it's already gone too far. We all want to be fair to the kids but giving a guy five minutes to leave after he's been ejected for two technical fouls isn't fair to the kids either. Playoff game or not, I'd like to think if an official stopped a game then explained to circumstances to their assignor/association that they would receive support.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Isn't Jerry Lundagard the guy from Fargo?

Ya. Could be. Just spelled a little different, don't ya know!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Ya. Could be. Just spelled a little different, don't ya know!

Awesome! Thanks for the laugh!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Ya. Could be. Just spelled a little different, don't ya know!

I looked it up.

I was right! Woohoo!

But imdb spells it differently: "Jerry Lundegaard".

William H. Macy, Frances McDormand, and Steve Buscemi are the perfect trio for that movie.