My New #1 Myth

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I wouldn't disagree with this if I hadn't had too many coaches ask for "reach" and "over the back" when there's obviously no contact. That said, I don't blame them. I blame the officials who should know better but still report fouls with this terminology.

I do not know a lot of officials (I would really have to think about a single one) reporting fouls like this and it is used often by players, coaches and fans.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know a lot of officials (I would really have to think about a single one) reporting fouls like this and it is used often by players, coaches and fans.

Peace

I don't see it often, but it doesn't take many. The words themselves, as perpetuated by announcers and such, actually give the perception to fans that it's actually a foul to reach or go over someone's back.

Most high school coaches understand the difference, and the fans are the biggest whiners.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't see it often, but it doesn't take many. The words themselves, as perpetuated by announcers and such, actually give the perception to fans that it's actually a foul to reach or go over someone's back.

Most high school coaches understand the difference, and the fans are the biggest whiners.

My point is it is apart of their vernacular, they do not get that usage from officials. It is one of those things passed down that no one corrects and they actually think it is a foul. I hear this every single game or a coach going crazy over this and not a single official on the floor used that language. Now of course this could be based on different areas and different coaches and officials, but I hear it no matter what is going on ("Over the back") at all levels I work and the coaches seriously think it is a foul.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My point is it is apart of their vernacular, they do not get that usage from officials. It is one of those things passed down that no one corrects and they actually think it is a foul.

There it is. I've only heard it from one partner, a former coach in his sixties. My son said he heard it from an official in a freshman game last week, and described the official as "elderly."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There it is. I've only heard it from one partner, a former coach in his sixties. My son said he heard it from an official in a freshman game last week, and described the official as "elderly."

I see it mostly with newer officials.

[tref]

I've seen it from older & newer officials... neither goes to camp.

[fortmoney]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you're in it for the respect of the fans and coaches, you're in the wrong job.

That is not my main goal. My goal is to do this job the best I can, and because of my skill and knowledge, the fans and coaches respect my decisions. I'm reading Earl Strom's book and it is obvious that even though in the heat of the moment, everyone was ready to kill him, looking back nearly everyone regards him as one of the best officials ever to work in the NBA. Respect from fans and coaches should not be the purpose for the calls we make, but their disrespect sure does challenge me when I'm on the court.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I wouldn't disagree with this if I hadn't had too many coaches ask for "reach" and "over the back" when there's obviously no contact. That said, I don't blame them. I blame the officials who should know better but still report fouls with this terminology.

He probably advocates the Frankenstein mechanic, too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He probably advocates the Frankenstein mechanic, too.

The creeping death foul?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He probably advocates the Frankenstein mechanic, too.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The creeping death foul?

[JetMetFan]

I've told my own kids and other people for years: I don't give technical fouls or throw someone out of a game. Players/Coaches do that to themselves. I'm just the person who has to enforce it.

[tref]

Originally Posted by fortmoney

Respect from fans and coaches should not be the purpose for the calls we make, but their disrespect sure does challenge me when I'm on the court.

As you gain experience you will come to understand that as long as they're keeping score in a competitive setting & once the clock reads triple zeros, we will have a winner & a loser. Half of the people involved (coaches/players/fans) will not like your call half of the time.

You will either accept this or continue to let it bother you. Remember, our appearance, signals & court presence are what commands respect long before we blow our whistle. Our attitude toward pushback should be, "what I do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say."

We cannot control the respect of fans, but improving our call accuracy will lead to credibility & if we're lucky, everything else falls into place.

[Tebo2526]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I agree, if I hear the F Bomb, it's a T. I heard BullSh!T and that was a T also.

There is no excuse ( maybe one, a hit to the man area ) for profanity.

On this subject, what if a player claps his hands together after missing a shot and says "damn", obviously frustrated with himself. No hears it but the referee he's running beside back down the court? Isn't that a little much or would you T him up as well. Just curious, cause it happened.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

On this subject, what if a player claps his hands together after missing a shot and says "damn", obviously frustrated with himself. No hears it but the referee he's running beside back down the court? Isn't that a little much or would you T him up as well. Just curious, cause it happened.

Local standards apply.

[Tebo2526]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Local standards apply.

Still slow, lost here as well.