My New #1 Myth

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I think this is a stretch, and I think you continue to misuse the term "myth." Over the back and reach aren't myths. It is just terminology the average basketball person uses to describe general actions they think are illegal. Over the back almost universally applies to rebounding action.

What, do you want fans and coaches to yell "That's an illegal push in the back on the rebound!!" Come on.

Getting high and mighty about terms like these isn't going to change anything, if anything it's going to make you look either out of touch or a little too big for your britches. These kinds of terms aren't going away. The best you can do is learn how to communicate with coaches and players in spite of them.

I wouldn't disagree with this if I hadn't had too many coaches ask for "reach" and "over the back" when there's obviously no contact. That said, I don't blame them. I blame the officials who should know better but still report fouls with this terminology.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I wouldn't disagree with this if I hadn't had too many coaches ask for "reach" and "over the back" when there's obviously no contact. That said, I don't blame them. I blame the officials who should know better but still report fouls with this terminology.

I do not know a lot of officials (I would really have to think about a single one) reporting fouls like this and it is used often by players, coaches and fans.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know a lot of officials (I would really have to think about a single one) reporting fouls like this and it is used often by players, coaches and fans.

Peace

I don't see it often, but it doesn't take many. The words themselves, as perpetuated by announcers and such, actually give the perception to fans that it's actually a foul to reach or go over someone's back.

Most high school coaches understand the difference, and the fans are the biggest whiners.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't see it often, but it doesn't take many. The words themselves, as perpetuated by announcers and such, actually give the perception to fans that it's actually a foul to reach or go over someone's back.

Most high school coaches understand the difference, and the fans are the biggest whiners.

My point is it is apart of their vernacular, they do not get that usage from officials. It is one of those things passed down that no one corrects and they actually think it is a foul. I hear this every single game or a coach going crazy over this and not a single official on the floor used that language. Now of course this could be based on different areas and different coaches and officials, but I hear it no matter what is going on ("Over the back") at all levels I work and the coaches seriously think it is a foul.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My point is it is apart of their vernacular, they do not get that usage from officials. It is one of those things passed down that no one corrects and they actually think it is a foul.

There it is. I've only heard it from one partner, a former coach in his sixties. My son said he heard it from an official in a freshman game last week, and described the official as "elderly."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There it is. I've only heard it from one partner, a former coach in his sixties. My son said he heard it from an official in a freshman game last week, and described the official as "elderly."

I see it mostly with newer officials.

[tref]

I've seen it from older & newer officials... neither goes to camp.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I wouldn't disagree with this if I hadn't had too many coaches ask for "reach" and "over the back" when there's obviously no contact. That said, I don't blame them. I blame the officials who should know better but still report fouls with this terminology.

He probably advocates the Frankenstein mechanic, too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He probably advocates the Frankenstein mechanic, too.

The creeping death foul?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He probably advocates the Frankenstein mechanic, too.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The creeping death foul?