My New #1 Myth

[bainsey]

For a few years, I've maintained a personal list of basketball's biggest rules myths. The existence of "over the back" has always topped my list, but I may have something to top it. I'd like some thoughts.

Varsity boys today (not working, I was a spectator): V down 2 points in the closing seconds. Shot is missed, put back is missed, H called for pushing foul, V will shoot two with :01 left. H-22 says F.U. (not sure to whom, some say an official, but I can't confirm that) and earns a T. Clear the lane, we're shooting four.

The first two free throws for V are missed. However, both technical free throws are nailed (different shooter). We got to overtime, where V eventually wins a 65-63 thriller on a buzzer beater.

Of course, some H fans say about the technical, "you don't make that call at that point in the game." Granted, there is significant emotion talking, and perhaps they didn't know what V-22 said, but I still find this to be a very common myth, even when you don't have a horse in the race, so I think it's more than just sour grapes talking. What's more, I find this myth to be a more damaging than most, because it's predicated upon the belief that the officials somehow take away games from the players, as opposed to enforcing the rules and their penalties, as we're obligated.

You don't hear this cry from fans nearly as much in football, when there's a pass interference penalty in the last minute. I could draw parallels to other sports, but the bottom line is this myth seems to exist mostly in basketball. Am I off base with this?

I've been taught that time and score are irrelevant to the enforcement of the rules. I'm curious why so many others think the opposite, when it's expected that way in other sports.

[fiasco]

I don't think it's so much a myth as just sour grapes.

A myth is something people think is true but really is not, like being able to catch your own airball.

This is just someone's opinion about when to call a technical foul or not.

And, yes, I'd still call the T.

[YooperRef]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I don't think it's so much a myth as just sour grapes.

A myth is something people think is true but really is not, like being able to catch your own airball.

This is just someone's opinion about when to call a technical foul or not.

And, yes, I'd still call the T.

Did I miss something here? I thought catching your own airball was legal (NFHS).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by YooperRef

Did I miss something here? I thought catching your own airball was legal.

Which is why it's just a myth that it isn't legal.



The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point.

[McMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which is why it's just a myth that it isn't legal.



The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point.

I was in T in 2-whistle game the other night and partner calls a travel due to a "self-pass". I told him what I saw on the play, and he understood.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by YooperRef

Did I miss something here? I thought catching your own airball was legal (NFHS).

Why did you think that?

[YooperRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why did you think that?

I thought rebounding your own airball was legal (4.44 Sit. B). I read the sentence by fiasco, "A myth is something people think is true but really is not, like being able to catch your own airball.", as people think it's true that you are able to catch your own airball but it's not. I just interpreted the sentence differently. I had a long discussion with a parent of one of the VB players last week about this and had to show him the case play before he would believe me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by YooperRef

I thought rebounding your own airball was legal (4.44 Sit. B). I read the sentence by fiasco, "A myth is something people think is true but really is not, like being able to catch your own airball.", as people think it's true that you are able to catch your own airball but it's not. I just interpreted the sentence differently. I had a long discussion with a parent of one of the VB players last week about this and had to show him the case play before he would believe me.

You're right. I mis-read your post. Catching your own airball is legal and it's a myth that you can't. But that's one rule I think fans are starting to learn. I'm starting to see instances where it happens and no moans come from the crowd.

[refiator]

With me, it depends on how loud it was. If it's "under his breath" I will likely pass, but speak to him. If it's loud enough for all to hear, no choice..."T".

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by refiator

With me, it depends on how loud it was. If it's "under his breath" I will likely pass, but speak to him. If it's loud enough for all to hear, no choice..."T".

Depends how loud it was? Volume has got nothing to do with it. A player directs an f**k y*u to me it's a T....whether or not anyone else heard him.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Depends how loud it was? Volume has got nothing to do with it. A player directs an f**k y*u to me it's a T....whether or not anyone else heard him.

I agree, if I hear the F Bomb, it's a T. I heard BullSh!T and that was a T also.

There is no excuse ( maybe one, a hit to the man area ) for profanity.

[Tebo2526]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I agree, if I hear the F Bomb, it's a T. I heard BullSh!T and that was a T also.

There is no excuse ( maybe one, a hit to the man area ) for profanity.

On this subject, what if a player claps his hands together after missing a shot and says "damn", obviously frustrated with himself. No hears it but the referee he's running beside back down the court? Isn't that a little much or would you T him up as well. Just curious, cause it happened.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

On this subject, what if a player claps his hands together after missing a shot and says "damn", obviously frustrated with himself. No hears it but the referee he's running beside back down the court? Isn't that a little much or would you T him up as well. Just curious, cause it happened.

Local standards apply.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

On this subject, what if a player claps his hands together after missing a shot and says "damn", obviously frustrated with himself. No hears it but the referee he's running beside back down the court? Isn't that a little much or would you T him up as well. Just curious, cause it happened.

Judgment.

In some areas, at some ages, to some referees, this would be profanity.

In other areas, at other ages, to other referees, a loud MF (to the ball, basket, self) would not be profanity.

In most areas, to most referees, the line is somewhere in the middle (and might depend on what else has happened that night).

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

On this subject, what if a player claps his hands together after missing a shot and says "damn", obviously frustrated with himself. No hears it but the referee he's running beside back down the court? Isn't that a little much or would you T him up as well. Just curious, cause it happened.

As described, this is completely ignored by me.