Charging vs. Player control

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Player control and Team Control signals are the same behind-the-head signal in Ohio.

So, an offensive player, without the ball, sets an illegal screen, and the official comes up with a behind-the-head signal?

[SNIPERBBB]

The way they want it is the normal foul signal then come down to the behind the head signal.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

The way they want it is the normal foul signal then come down to the behind the head signal.

We assume by normal foul signal you mean a fist in the air. And you are instructed to use the hand behind the head for all fouls on the offense?

[SNIPERBBB]

Yes. The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

Thanks. I didn't know that Ohio was in The Matrix.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Yes. The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

This an exception mandated by the state, or your state publishes its own rule book?

It actually makes perfect sense. Why have two separate signals? So, in Ohio it doesn't matter whether he released the pass before the crash or not.

[SNIPERBBB]

Just a state mandate. They thought using the new signal would confuse people.

[BillyMac]

I've never been to the Buckeye State, but I've got to believe that there are. Lots of them.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

They thought using the new signal would confuse people.

What people? Officials? Coaches? Players? Table? Fans? Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

How condescending.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Yes. The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

Even though there's a difference in a team control and player control foul?????

That makes no sense at all.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Many officials around here will use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul. By the manual, it's probably incorrect, but it seems to be an "accepted", but not "approved", alternative around here.

Originally Posted by just another ref

We assume by normal foul signal you mean a fist in the air.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, the same guys that use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul, will also not usually precede this signal with a "stop the clock" fist.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, the same guys that use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul, will also not usually precede this signal with a "stop the clock" fist.

I actually do the same thing most of the time, if the call is obvious to me, though I know this is not totally correct. If I go up with the fist first, then go to the PC signal, it gives me time to mentally flip a coin.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So, an offensive player, without the ball, sets an illegal screen, and the official comes up with a behind-the-head signal?

We do the above the head fist to stop the clock and then punch the team control foul signal towards the defenses basket. Same with a charging ball handler.