Charging vs. Player control

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
The case doesn't contain the words player control.

Because it's a double foul. If the other official didn't call a block, then it would have been a player control foul.

BillyMac

refiator wrote
Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while.

Many officials around here will use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul. By the manual, it's probably incorrect, but it seems to be an "accepted", but not "approved", alternative around here.

SNIPERBBB

refiator wrote
Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while (at least in these parts).......Not taking away from its being an approved signal, just don't see it anymore.

Player control and Team Control signals are the same behind-the-head signal in Ohio.

BillyMac

SNIPERBBB wrote
Player control and Team Control signals are the same behind-the-head signal in Ohio.

So, an offensive player, without the ball, sets an illegal screen, and the official comes up with a behind-the-head signal?

SNIPERBBB

The way they want it is the normal foul signal then come down to the behind the head signal.

just another ref

SNIPERBBB wrote
The way they want it is the normal foul signal then come down to the behind the head signal.

We assume by normal foul signal you mean a fist in the air. And you are instructed to use the hand behind the head for all fouls on the offense?

SNIPERBBB

Yes. The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

BillyMac

SNIPERBBB wrote
The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

Thanks. I didn't know that Ohio was in The Matrix.

BillyMac

Welpe wrote
This is like seeing magnesium being dumped in a swimming pool.

Did you mean to say Sodium, or Potassium?

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
Many officials around here will use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul. By the manual, it's probably incorrect, but it seems to be an "accepted", but not "approved", alternative around here.

just another ref wrote
We assume by normal foul signal you mean a fist in the air.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, the same guys that use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul, will also not usually precede this signal with a "stop the clock" fist.

just another ref

SNIPERBBB wrote
Yes. The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

This an exception mandated by the state, or your state publishes its own rule book?

It actually makes perfect sense. Why have two separate signals? So, in Ohio it doesn't matter whether he released the pass before the crash or not.

just another ref

BillyMac wrote
Here in my little corner of Connecticut, the same guys that use the team control foul signal, and only the team control foul signal, for a player control charging foul, will also not usually precede this signal with a "stop the clock" fist.

I actually do the same thing most of the time, if the call is obvious to me, though I know this is not totally correct. If I go up with the fist first, then go to the PC signal, it gives me time to mentally flip a coin.

SNIPERBBB

Just a state mandate. They thought using the new signal would confuse people.

BillyMac

I've never been to the Buckeye State, but I've got to believe that there are. Lots of them.

SNIPERBBB wrote
They thought using the new signal would confuse people.

What people? Officials? Coaches? Players? Table? Fans? Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

How condescending.

BktBallRef

SNIPERBBB wrote
Yes. The PC signal is the TC signal in Ohio. The TC signal in the NFHS manual does not exist here.

Even though there's a difference in a team control and player control foul?????

That makes no sense at all.

Sharpshooternes

refiator wrote
Since the Team Control signal was implemented, I haven't seen that used in a while (at least in these parts).......Not taking away from its being an approved signal, just don't see it anymore.

That's kinda funny you say that because I was going to ask if any other associations have kind of done away with the PC signal. They encourage us to use the team control signal and punch it the other direction (defense's basket) if anyone on the offensive team fouls the defense, ball handler or team mate. I haven't once in two seasons used or seen used the PC signal. It is always the team control signal. Anybody else adopted that or find it strange?

Sharpshooternes

BillyMac wrote
So, an offensive player, without the ball, sets an illegal screen, and the official comes up with a behind-the-head signal?

We do the above the head fist to stop the clock and then punch the team control foul signal towards the defenses basket. Same with a charging ball handler.

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