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Toren Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:13pm

Charging vs. Player control
 
All charges are not player control fouls

but

Are all player control fouls charges?

I'm having trouble thinking of examples of player control fouls that are not charges.

Can anyone help?

rfp Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:21pm

A1 with the ball pivots into a stationary defender B1 and hits B1 with an elbow across the bridge of the nose. Not a charge, but a PCF.

Rich Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:23pm

A1 hooks the defender to get around...

Toren Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:25pm

+1

thanks.

tref Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:27pm

A1 drives to the basket & uses his off hand to create space.
Northside!

Toren Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 808894)
A1 drives to the basket & uses his off hand to create space.
Northside!

I was thinking this one too but then I read 4-7-2 d and then I was like whoa, that's a charge. Unless you're visualizing something else.

tref Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:33pm

Is it a charge if it happens at the 3 point line? Halfcourt? Or just below the FT line extended?

Toren Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 808900)
Is it a charge if it happens at the 3 point line? Halfcourt? Or just below the FT line extended?

I'm not sure I'm understanding the question...are you asking definitionally?

Mechanically, we're going PCF in all cases.

Welpe Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:47pm

He means by rule.

Toren Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 808900)
Is it a charge if it happens at the 3 point line? Halfcourt? Or just below the FT line extended?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 808907)
He means by rule.

By rule, I don't see a difference. Looks like they are all charges. I don't see anything in rule about location being of issue.

tref Wed Dec 28, 2011 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 808905)
I'm not sure I'm understanding the question...are you asking definitionally?

Mechanically, we're going PCF in all cases.

You're correct, going to & through the torso is p/c & so is using the hand to push the defenders torso to create space for a shot or pass.

At the end of the day, we use the same mechanic for a p/c or charge by the ball handler.

Welpe Wed Dec 28, 2011 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 808910)
By rule, I don't see a difference. Looks like they are all charges. I don't see anything in rule about location being of issue.

The player in possession can also be guilty of infractions under 4-24 in addition to it being a charge. It's an esoteric distinction really but I think you know that.

Adam Wed Dec 28, 2011 06:31pm

Illegal ball screen, hooking, push off,

Hartsy Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 808889)
All charges are not player control fouls

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Rich Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartsy (Post 809110)
??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Pass and crash. Still a charge, not a player control foul.


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