Charging vs. Player control

[Toren]

All charges are not player control fouls

but

Are all player control fouls charges?

I'm having trouble thinking of examples of player control fouls that are not charges.

Can anyone help?

[rfp]

A1 with the ball pivots into a stationary defender B1 and hits B1 with an elbow across the bridge of the nose. Not a charge, but a PCF.

[Rich]

A1 hooks the defender to get around...

[Toren]

+1

thanks.

[tref]

A1 drives to the basket & uses his off hand to create space.
Northside!

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

A1 drives to the basket & uses his off hand to create space.
Northside!

I was thinking this one too but then I read 4-7-2 d and then I was like whoa, that's a charge. Unless you're visualizing something else.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by Toren

All charges are not player control fouls

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Pass and crash. Still a charge, not a player control foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

??? What am I missing here? How can a charge NOT be a PC foul?

Anytime a player goes through a legally positioned player's torso, the foul is one for charging. So for example, a defensive player running through a player in legal screening position.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Anytime a player goes through a legally positioned player's torso, the foul is one for charging. So for example, a defensive player running through a player in legal screening position.

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

I've seen some defenders run straight through a screen, no hands, just shoulder down almost football style.

Charge...and sometimes a short discussion about upgrading.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Ah. That's a new distinction to me. That sounds to me like a run of the mill, pushing foul. I've never heard anyone say a defender was called for a charge.

Rule 4, Section 7

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rule 4, Section 7

ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso.

Mmm hmm. By definition, a defender pushing through a screen is a charging foul. I'd hate to see the confusion from someone not signalling this a push, but rather using the hand behind the head associated with the commonly known charge.