Disconcerting

[The_Rookie]

Had a coach moan a couple of times in a game on Thursday when his guy had the ball shooting free throws, the opp on the lane were communicating to each other "I got Shooter".

He was asking for a disconcert call... (I called nothing)


You say what on this?

Thanks and Merry Xmas!

[Zoochy]

If I feel it needs to be address, then on the next free throw, before I bounce the ball to the shooter, I say Hands up or Hands down. No talking when the shooter has the ball.
I also hate when the coach of the non-shooting team yells "Rebound" when it is the 1st throw of a multiple free throw attempt.

[JRutledge]

It really depends on the situation. I would watch when they say those things. Are they waiting until the shooter is about to shoot or when they are clearly going through their routine. But as said if you have a problem with it or think it is suspect, tell the players to "knock it off" before the shooter gets the ball.

Peace

[BillyMac]

If something disconcerts the shooter, then, by all means, call a disconcertion violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Had a coach moan a couple of times in a game on Thursday when his guy had the ball shooting free throws, the opp on the lane were communicating to each other "I got Shooter".

He was asking for a disconcert call... (I called nothing)


You say what on this?

Thanks and Merry Xmas!

As Rut noted, if they're saying it just as the shooter is about to shoot, tell them to knock it off. If they do it after that, ding 'em.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Had a coach moan a couple of times in a game on Thursday when his guy had the ball shooting free throws, the opp on the lane were communicating to each other "I got Shooter".

He was asking for a disconcert call... (I called nothing)


You say what on this?

Thanks and Merry Xmas!

Get read to administer the FT. Stop. Pause for effect. Pointedly ask the defnese -- "Everybody know who's got the shooter?" When they respond in the affirmative, add "Good -- then there's no need to disconcert" -- yes, use that word.

They'll get the message, or else they'll hear the whistle.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

They'll get the message, or else they'll hear the whistle.

Unless the free throw is successful.

[Tio]

Do you think he was doing it to disconcert the shooter? If so, I would address it with the kid. Just tell him to stop talking once the shooter has the ball. This hopefully helps the game and also shows the coach you will listen.

I do think if you call this it has to be obvious to everyone in the gym.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

Do you think he was doing it to disconcert the shooter? If so, I would address it with the kid. Just tell him to stop talking once the shooter has the ball. This hopefully helps the game and also shows the coach you will listen.

I do think if you call this it has to be obvious to everyone in the gym.

He doesn't have to attempt to disconcert in order to actually do it, and I disagree that it has to be obvious to everyone. Too many don't know this rule to worry about it, and the players can often do this in a way that's just loud enough to be heard on the court.

[Tio]

Agreed... the situation I see is that you bounce the ball to the shooter and at the last minute, one of the defensive players sticks their hands up. Usually, by addressing this it ends further activity.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He doesn't have to attempt to disconcert in order to actually do it, and I disagree that it has to be obvious to everyone. Too many don't know this rule to worry about it, and the players can often do this in a way that's just loud enough to be heard on the court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

Agreed... the situation I see is that you bounce the ball to the shooter and at the last minute, one of the defensive players sticks their hands up. Usually, by addressing this it ends further activity.

Yep, when it's obvious to me that they're disconcerting, I might address it is bob suggests. Or, I might just call the violation; depends on how much trouble they've been giving me during the game.

[PG_Ref]

Has anyone ever heard of or called disconcertion on the opponent's bench?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Has anyone ever heard of or called disconcertion on the opponent's bench?

I've heard of it, but it's not correct procedure. Disconcertion is defined in terms of 'opponents', which is a term not defined in rule 4; however, every usage in the rules makes it clear that the term refers to players on the floor, not bench personnel.

If you feel it's over the line, warn the head coach and then whack him if it continues.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I've heard of it, but it's not correct procedure. Disconcertion is defined in terms of 'opponents', which is a term not defined in rule 4; however, every usage in the rules makes it clear that the term refers to players on the floor, not bench personnel.

If you feel it's over the line, warn the head coach and then whack him if it continues.

It has been debated that, in rule 9, the term "players" refers to the 10 on the court at the time. When the term "opponent" (9-1-3C) is used, it refers to the 5 on the court as well as bench personnel. Is there a definitive NFHS position or is it the infamous "when in Rome ..." ?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Has anyone ever heard of or called disconcertion on the opponent's bench?

Originally Posted by mbyron

I've heard of it, but it's not correct procedure. Disconcertion is defined in terms of 'opponents', which is a term not defined in rule 4; however, every usage in the rules makes it clear that the term refers to players on the floor, not bench personnel.

Sorry. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this "pardner". Opponents include bench personnel, including the coaches. I can't find any specific citation in regard to this, but I did find these references to "opponents" in the NFHS rulebook:

2011-12 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. SPORTING BEHAVIOR. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee continues to be concerned about the following behaviors:
A. Pregame Situations. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under the basket where opponents are warming up.

NFHS Common Symptoms of Concussion Include: Unsure of game, score or opponent.

NFHS Coaches Code of Ethics: The coach shall not scout opponents by any means other than those adopted by the league and/or state high school athletic association.

The citations above are, granted, quite weak, and kind of lame. So let's go to the dictionary:

Opponent (Noun): a person who is on an opposing side in a game, contest, controversy, or the like; adversary.