Let's play the T-Worthy Game

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Some of us go to the T immediately, others use the tool when all else fails.

A false dichotomy IMO. I'm all for giving a coach plenty of rope but there are some things that will stretch that rope out a lot quicker. My big one is insulting my integrity. It's as close to an automatic T as I have and I would not consider myself as unable to handle my business or be a weak communicator. I simply don't stand for it.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

My old partner had this one:

Coach--"Call Something!"

Partner--T

[stratref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
This is questioning my integrity/ability and will get a "T" every time

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Not a fan of the comment, but the coach's problem is with the call not me, I may tell him to knock it off but it's not an automatic "T"

"Do you have a problem with me?"
I'm just ignoring this 100%, nothing good can come from the conversation, but he hasn't crossed a line yet.

"What is your problem?"
Same as above.

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
This is an easy "T", he is trying to get between you and your partner, this is not acceptable under any circumstances.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
"T" minimum, possible ejection, this is a direct accusation of cheating, saying the baseball equivalent of "11 on 9" will get you run 100% of the time.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
This is probably nothing, however I may be inclined to say "Sure coach, here is your 'T' as requested" but only if I have herd enough from the coach

If find that if I am going to throw a coach out in baseball I should at least be giving them a "T" in basketball. In baseball there are some very well defined boundaries, mainly saying you can ask a legitimate question but attacking integrity is an automatic ejection.

Jasper

[bainsey]

Definite Ts on 1, 6, and 7.

Probable on 5.

Doubtful on 2, 3, 4. Other circumstances may apply.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by stratref

If find that if I am going to throw a coach out in baseball I should at least be giving them a "T" in basketball. In baseball there are some very well defined boundaries, mainly saying you can ask a legitimate question but attacking integrity is an automatic ejection.

Jasper

Being a longtime umpire...I'm on the same page as Statref.

[BillyMac]

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
Technical foul. He made it personal.

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

"Do you have a problem with me?"
Ignore.

"What is your problem?"
Ignore.

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Technical Foul. He made it personal.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
Technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

And as a matter of fact, I all but said the 8v5 would be a T

You didn't say that. In response to the question of is it a technical foul if he says your partner is awful you said, "No, but I'm telling coach very sternly to cut the crap out and I'll mention to my partner what was said"

And the 8 vs. 5 isn't a T?!? That's the worst one of them all! The only argument on that one should be is it flagrant or not? In the other ones he is just telling you about how much you or your partner suck; you might be bad but at least you aren't trying to make sure the other team wins. In the 8 vs. 5 comment he is actually calling you, and your 2 partners, cheaters.

[Terrapins Fan]

Who here has NEVER called a "T"?

I have worked with about 6 guys who NEVER call a "T" no matter what.

I had a partner see a pre game dunk and said "did you see that?" I said "What?" He said, " That kid just dunked" I asked, "are we starting the game with a "T"?" He said, "No I am just going to tell him not to do it again."

They are out there, I got about 3 or 4 T's out of the first batch of comments.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cobra

You didn't say that. In response to the question of is it a technical foul if he says your partner is awful you said, "No, but I'm telling coach very sternly to cut the crap out and I'll mention to my partner what was said"

And the 8 vs. 5 isn't a T?!? That's the worst one of them all! The only argument on that one should be is it flagrant or not?

Says who? Flagrant for that? Now that is funny. You just throw out a lot of people because you hear that almost every other game.

Originally Posted by Cobra

In the other ones he is just telling you about how much you or your partner suck; you might be bad but at least you aren't trying to make sure the other team wins. In the 8 vs. 5 comment he is actually calling you, and your 2 partners, cheaters.

It is not too often that they tell you that you are doing a good job. This is chess not checkers man. They are not going to be happy with everything we do, they are after all bias and have an agenda. I am not saying you should not do anything, but if that is all you know how to do is give Ts that is not going to get you very far in my opinion. If you can say something and no one knows you addressed the issue, that is a win. Ts do not solve every issue we have with coaches and players.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
Technical foul. He made it personal. Yep, T from me here.

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations. Yeah, if this was early in the game or the first thing he had said, it probably gets ignored.

"Do you have a problem with me?"
Ignore. Yep

"What is your problem?"
Ignore. Yep

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Technical Foul. He made it personal. Whack immediately.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
Technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity. Whack immediately.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations. Agree again, although I gave a coach a T a few years ago for this when he screamed it at me as I was running from Trail to Lead away from his bench.

I agree with Billy and I added my comments.

[BBUMP99]

Originally Posted by fiasco

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"

I had that line used on me last week.

Actually, to be accurate, it was "Will you please blow your whistle? For anything?!?! Just make A CALL!!"

I honored her request. I blew my whistle I called a foul. A technical foul.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by billymac

"you have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
technical foul. He made it personal.

"seriously, that call was atrocious."
maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

"do you have a problem with me?"
ignore.

"what is your problem?"
ignore.

"you're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
technical foul. He made it personal.

"it's tough playing 8 on 5."
technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity.

"blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

+1

[Ignats75]

I've always maintained that the only absolutes with regards to Teeing up coaches are comments that are profane or question our integrity. That being said, nothing good can happen to a coach if he starts his speech with the word "you".

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

I've always maintained that the only absolutes with regards to Teeing up coaches are comments that are profane or question our integrity.

I would add imperative sentences to the list, which is why I have a T on the last item.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Says who? Flagrant for that? Now that is funny. You just throw out a lot of people because you hear that almost every other game.

What's funny is that you hear that almost every other game. You must be doing something really wrong out there to have coaches directly accuse you of cheating that often.

And yes, there is a good chance that is flagrant. It is much much worse than just saying that the official is terrible. Imagine there is an assignor who finds out that one of his officials did a terrible job one game. Now imagine the assignor finds out an official was cheating and trying to make sure that one team won.

If an official did a bad job one game he could just need more training or possibly just had a bad game. An official who is cheating is entirely different and much more serious. Likewise a coach accusing you of cheating is entirely different and much more serious than a coach telling you that you are awful.