Let's play the T-Worthy Game

[Toren]

Haha, I misunderstood the game.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Was going through my mind some of the statements I've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them T-worthy.

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
No

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
No

"Do you have a problem with me?"
No

"What is your problem?"
Yes

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Depends on how loud this is.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
No (it really is tough)

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
No

[rockyroad]

Every single one of those statements could be worthy of a T...it really all depends on how they are said and when they are said. If it's the first thing a coach says to me during a game, then probably not except for the 8 on 5 one...if the coach has been talked to and told to knock it off, then all of them are worthy of a T...

It's not necessarily what they say, but how they say it.

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Every single one of those statements could be worthy of a T...it really all depends on how they are said and when they are said. If it's the first thing a coach says to me during a game, then probably not except for the 8 on 5 one...if the coach has been talked to and told to knock it off, then all of them are worthy of a T...

It's not necessarily what they say, but how they say it.

I think that's why he asked in of itself. All of these statements could be a T if the right circumstances are met.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I think that's why he asked in of itself. All of these statements could be a T if the right circumstances are met.

Every one of these could result in a T and every one might not get a T based on a lot of factors as well. There are no absolutes in this game and trying to make it that way will only not give you a feel for the game. Almost all of these would result in the situation being addressed if heard, but many might not be heard as I would not be next to a coach or player at all times. I try my best to handle situations without a T and it works a lot. Also there is a thing called ABS where none of these things would result in a T but things much so egregious on their own.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Every single one of those statements could be worthy of a T...it really all depends on how they are said and when they are said. If it's the first thing a coach says to me during a game, then probably not except for the 8 on 5 one...if the coach has been talked to and told to knock it off, then all of them are worthy of a T...

It's not necessarily what they say, but how they say it.

^^^what he said.

[stratref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
This is questioning my integrity/ability and will get a "T" every time

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Not a fan of the comment, but the coach's problem is with the call not me, I may tell him to knock it off but it's not an automatic "T"

"Do you have a problem with me?"
I'm just ignoring this 100%, nothing good can come from the conversation, but he hasn't crossed a line yet.

"What is your problem?"
Same as above.

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
This is an easy "T", he is trying to get between you and your partner, this is not acceptable under any circumstances.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
"T" minimum, possible ejection, this is a direct accusation of cheating, saying the baseball equivalent of "11 on 9" will get you run 100% of the time.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
This is probably nothing, however I may be inclined to say "Sure coach, here is your 'T' as requested" but only if I have herd enough from the coach

If find that if I am going to throw a coach out in baseball I should at least be giving them a "T" in basketball. In baseball there are some very well defined boundaries, mainly saying you can ask a legitimate question but attacking integrity is an automatic ejection.

Jasper

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by stratref

If find that if I am going to throw a coach out in baseball I should at least be giving them a "T" in basketball. In baseball there are some very well defined boundaries, mainly saying you can ask a legitimate question but attacking integrity is an automatic ejection.

Jasper

Being a longtime umpire...I'm on the same page as Statref.

[BillyMac]

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
Technical foul. He made it personal.

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

"Do you have a problem with me?"
Ignore.

"What is your problem?"
Ignore.

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Technical Foul. He made it personal.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
Technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
Technical foul. He made it personal. Yep, T from me here.

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations. Yeah, if this was early in the game or the first thing he had said, it probably gets ignored.

"Do you have a problem with me?"
Ignore. Yep

"What is your problem?"
Ignore. Yep

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Technical Foul. He made it personal. Whack immediately.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
Technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity. Whack immediately.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations. Agree again, although I gave a coach a T a few years ago for this when he screamed it at me as I was running from Trail to Lead away from his bench.

I agree with Billy and I added my comments.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by billymac

"you have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
technical foul. He made it personal.

"seriously, that call was atrocious."
maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

"do you have a problem with me?"
ignore.

"what is your problem?"
ignore.

"you're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
technical foul. He made it personal.

"it's tough playing 8 on 5."
technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity.

"blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

+1

[Ignats75]

I've always maintained that the only absolutes with regards to Teeing up coaches are comments that are profane or question our integrity. That being said, nothing good can happen to a coach if he starts his speech with the word "you".

[bainsey]

Definite Ts on 1, 6, and 7.

Probable on 5.

Doubtful on 2, 3, 4. Other circumstances may apply.

[BBUMP99]

Originally Posted by fiasco

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"

I had that line used on me last week.

Actually, to be accurate, it was "Will you please blow your whistle? For anything?!?! Just make A CALL!!"

I honored her request. I blew my whistle I called a foul. A technical foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Was going through my mind some of the statements I've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them T-worthy.

TECHNICAL FOULS

Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a
technical foul.
When coaches complain, ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate
gripe, then allow them some latitude. Be courteous. Do not argue. Be firm and fair
If you know a coach is upset then move away from him or her, even if it means that you and your partner
are not switching or rotating properly.
Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a
warning.
Lend a reasonable ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are
more likely to lose control.
If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out.
If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you
do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first.
If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash.
Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top reasons to give a technical foul.
If necessary, give an initial strong warning. Let your partner know about the warning.

Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
There are many different factors to consider when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are
three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach draws
attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent.

Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiation:
Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
A coach questions your integrity.
Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
A coach is embarrassing an official.
A coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.

Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations, a warning may be appropriate
before the technical foul is given:
A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
If they have interfered with the game or your concentration, then they have usually gone too far.
If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Ways To Give A Technical Foul
Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other foul. It is simply a rule that requires
a penalty. Maintain a calm attitude, have poise and presence. Don’t personalize it. Don't embarrass the
coach by being demonstrative.
Take your time. Don’t over react. Always sound the whistle and stop the clock with a foul signal. Signal
the technical foul. Take a deep breath to calm yourself. Proceed to the reporting area, report the technical
foul clearly to the table, and leave the area. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul.
Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your
partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box.
Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. When asked, always explain technical fouls on players
to coaches.

Proceed with the administration of the penalty. After technical fouls, put the ball in play immediately.
The calling official may want to stay away from the coach for a few minutes, even if it means not making
a switch, or making an unneeded switch, after the administration of the technical foul penalty has been
completed.
Because a coach has been penalized with a technical foul does not mean that the coach is allowed
rebuttal time.
Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it
is warranted.

Original Source: The Greater Philadelphia Basketball Official's Association

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Ways To Give A Technical Foul
Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other foul. It is simply a rule that requires
a penalty. Maintain a calm attitude, have poise and presence. Don’t personalize it. Don't embarrass the
coach by being demonstrative.
Take your time. Don’t over react. Always sound the whistle and stop the clock with a foul signal. Signal
the technical foul. Take a deep breath to calm yourself. Proceed to the reporting area, report the technical
foul clearly to the table, and leave the area. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul.
Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your
partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box.
Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. When asked, always explain technical fouls on players
to coaches.

Proceed with the administration of the penalty. After technical fouls, put the ball in play immediately.
The calling official may want to stay away from the coach for a few minutes, even if it means not making
a switch, or making an unneeded switch, after the administration of the technical foul penalty has been
completed.
Because a coach has been penalized with a technical foul does not mean that the coach is allowed
rebuttal time.
Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it
is warranted.

Mmmm...

1. In theory a technical foul is no different than any other call. However, in reality we are human and it isn't always the same as any other call.
2. I have never heard of stopping the clock for a technical with a foul signal.
3. I do not need anyone to explain something for me. In my little corner of the silver state I pre-game with my partners that the calling official will be the next one to engage a coach after calling a direct technical on a coach. This way, there is no "shoulder to cry on" from the other official(s).
4. I will submit this for thought: if a coach receives a technical foul and the situation is such that a crew of officials cannot rotate/switch as they normally do for fear (how I look at it) of something else happening with the coach, maybe the coach should have been ejected in the first place.