Just thinking...

[Refsmitty]

Now that there is team control during a throw in - shouldn't that mean that a throw in from the front court to the back court is a violation? One that is tipped in the front court and is reganed in the back court should be a violation as well - correct?

We had an association meeting Sunday and dicussed fouls during the throw in but not this.

Thoughts?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Now that there is team control during a throw in - shouldn't that mean that a throw in from the front court to the back court is a violation? One that is tipped in the front court should be a violation as well - correct?

We had an association meeting Sunday and dicussed fouls during the throw in but not this.

Thoughts?

No. They did not change the requirement of a back court violation in any way. The intent of the rule was to simply make a team control foul similar to other levels. They did not word it correctly, but that was the clear intent based on some literature about this rule.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

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Thoughts?

My thoughts are you haven't been spending much time in the forum since the rule change.

Also, there is no such thing as a throw-in from the front court. All throw-ins are from OOB and the ball does not have FC or BC status until player control is established, and even that has a couple of exceptions pertaining to players who are airborne.

[Refsmitty]

Thanks JR - makes sense now.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Thanks JR - makes sense now.

Sorry badnews if I bothered you

I answered your question, didn't I? Or do I have to phrase it in pretty words for you and put my "smiley" icon in huge font?

[Refsmitty]

Yep - my bad

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I answered your question, didn't I? Or do I have to phrase it in pretty words for you?

I was first. Naaaanaaaanyyyy booooooo booooooo!!!!

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I was first. Naaaanaaaanyyyy booooooo booooooo!!!!

Peace

Just getting Smitty ready for those smart-a$$ coaches.

[Adam]

Been discussed ad nauseum.

A throwin from FC to BC is not a violation because the FC and BC are defined in bounds, not OOB.

The tip is not a violation because the committee told us they only intended to change whether free throws were shot. They added some other rule changes to attempt to say that, and came pretty close.

[Refsmitty]

Badnews - One of my points of emphasis for personal improvement this year is exactly that... to bite my tongue with some of those bast*&^s!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Badnews - One of my points of emphasis for personal improvement this year is exactly that... to bite my tongue with some of those bast*&^s!

That's my POE every season. Still working on it.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Been discussed ad nauseum.

A throwin from FC to BC is not a violation because the FC and BC are defined in bounds, not OOB.

The tip is not a violation because the committee told us they only intended to change whether free throws were shot. They added some other rule changes to attempt to say that, and came pretty close.

We had a varsity game the other day (NFHS rules). We got called for a backcourt violation because our throw-in went from the frontcourt endline, tipped one of our players in the frontcourt, where we retrieved it in the backcourt.

I was told by the ref essentially, that with the new team control rule on throw-ins, all the requirements for a backcourt violation were met.

I agreed with him, that the new rules as written, seem to say he is correct. But, can I tell him next time, that Snaqwells said the committee said they intended it to only apply to fouls? Will he believe me? Who is correct?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

We had a varsity game the other day (NFHS rules). We got called for a backcourt violation because our throw-in went from the frontcourt endline, tipped one of our players in the frontcourt, where we retrieved it in the backcourt.

I was told by the ref essentially, that with the new team control rule on throw-ins, all the requirements for a backcourt violation were met.

I agreed with him, that the new rules as written, seem to say he is correct. But, can I tell him next time, that Snaqwells said the committee said they intended it to only apply to fouls? Will he believe me? Who is correct?

Snaqwells is correct. This is legal. There's a nice thread where this same exact play was called in a Michigan State game. So even some of the college officials can mess it up.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Toren

Snaqwells is correct. This is legal. There's a nice thread where this same exact play was called in a Michigan State game. So even some of the college officials can mess it up.

Although it could have happened in MSU game, I believe it was Minn vs Virginia Tech in the closing seconds where this call was blown. Official was reprimanded...whatever that is.

Also, should Coach Bill notify the assignor through maybe his AD, rather than go straight to the individual ref he had the sitch with?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

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I agreed with him, that the new rules as written, seem to say he is correct. But, can I tell him next time, that Snaqwells said the committee said they intended it to only apply to fouls? Will he believe me? Who is correct?

No, next time have the officially licensed PowerPoint slide printed out that tells us to enforce the rules as formerly written, not as they are written now.