Thoughts on Technical Foul

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I guess it's not the standard here, where the standard for officials is to deal with such conduct. Hopefully, that's not so hard to see.

You're right, though, if all the other coaches get away with being azzholes, and this coach doesn't; then he gets credit for "higher conduct."

I'm not saying they get away with it, I'm saying it's the way they react.

Your standard is appears to be that an official/coach can't point an error or unfair action on the part of a referee (or do you simply T up any coach that disagrees with a call regardless of how they express it?). That's simply wrong. Cat made his point in a non-offensive way so that only the official knew he was disagreeing. If he was a regular coach we'd give him a medal. But since he's a ref, he's Ted up for it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I'm not saying they get away with it, I'm saying it's the way they react.

Your standard is appears to be that an official/coach can't point an error or unfair action on the part of a referee (or do you simply T up any coach that disagrees with a call regardless of how they express it?). That's simply wrong. Cat made his point in a non-offensive way so that only the official knew he was disagreeing. If he was a regular coach we'd give him a medal. But since he's a ref, he's Ted up for it.

If they react that way regularly, then they're getting away with it.

You should probably read more of my posts on this. For some reason known only to God, I was thinking he made the comment fairly loudly.

Is "that's bad officiating" the same as "you're a bad official?" Not quite, but it's a lot closer to that than it is to "that's a bad call."

If said quietly, I'll warn. If said loudly, I'll whack. If somewhere in between, he's risking a T. If he's tried the "ireftoo" junk in this game, well that's just more BS for the accumulation. Note, he's not getting a short leash because he's a ref, he's getting the short leash because he said he's a ref. The only reason to say it is to try to influence the officials; not acceptable.

Note also, I'm not saying he did this, just elaborating.

Back to "my standard." It's not that he can't disagree or even point it out, but he's not going to show me up with that comment. Like it or not, it's a show-up comment designed to put the officials in their "proper place." What if he'd said, "that's middle school officiating...."?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If they react that way regularly, then they're getting away with it.

You should probably read more of my posts on this. For some reason known only to God, I was thinking he made the comment fairly loudly.

Fair enough.

Is "that's bad officiating" the same as "you're a bad official?" Not quite, but it's a lot closer to that than it is to "that's a bad call."

Personally, I find "that's a bad call" and "that's bad officiating" to be functionally equivalent. That's the risk a coach takes for saying anything other than "I believe you're wrong."

If said quietly, I'll warn. If said loudly, I'll whack. If somewhere in between, he's risking a T. If he's tried the "ireftoo" junk in this game, well that's just more BS for the accumulation. Note, he's not getting a short leash because he's a ref, he's getting the short leash because he said he's a ref. The only reason to say it is to try to influence the officials; not acceptable.

Except Cat specifically said he didn't identify himself as a ref. I can see a shorter leash for someone you feel has tried to manipulate you, although I personally don't do this.

What's you opinion on a coach who you know is a ref but doesn't bring it up?

Note also, I'm not saying he did this, just elaborating.

Back to "my standard." It's not that he can't disagree or even point it out, but he's not going to show me up with that comment. Like it or not, it's a show-up comment designed to put the officials in their "proper place." What if he'd said, "that's middle school officiating...."?

I don't find it to be a show-me-up comment. If he'd said "that's middle school officiating" I'd either ignore it or say "It is a middle school game."

I readily accept that I tend to be more tolerant of coaches' behaviors than most of this board.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Except Cat specifically said he didn't identify himself as a ref. I can see a shorter leash for someone you feel has tried to manipulate you, although I personally don't do this.

What's you opinion on a coach who you know is a ref but doesn't bring it up?

Yep, and I was just elaborating a bit.

Good question. I'll treat him the same. I may come away with more or less respect for him as an official based on his performance, but I'll treat him as if he's not an official for the duration of that game.

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I don't find it to be a show-me-up comment. If he'd said "that's middle school officiating" I'd either ignore it or say "It is a middle school game."

Fair enough, I can live with simply disagreeing. If he says that loud enough to be heard across the gym, easy T. If only I hear it (not likely if he's walking away from me as in the OP), then I ignore. In between, it'll be at least a warning and maybe a T.