Thoughts on Technical Foul

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

I am an official, ...

As the official comes to report it, I express my displeasure since I was helping them with an injured girl.

However, I just couldn't get by the principle of it all and tell the gentleman that I think him charging me a timeout is "really bad officiating",...

Do you agree with the T? Saying it's bad officiating and walking away?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

2) No

Wow! JR, you are okay with an official treating a fellow official in this manner!?!? Have you gotten soft in your old age?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wow! JR, you are okay with an official treating a fellow official in this manner!?!? Have you gotten soft in your old age?

Nevada, under those particular circumstances I doubt that I would have called a "T" in my young or middle ages either. The coach complained once about a call. And he didn't put on a show or prolong that complaint. I realize that all unsporting "T"s are judgment calls, but that one doesn't equate as being overly egregious to me. Maybe a warning. Sometimes.

And then again, maybe the coach was spot on. It was bad officiating to charge him with a TO imo also.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nevada, under those particular circumstances I doubt that I would have called a "T" in my young or middle ages either. The coach complained once about a call. And he didn't put on a show or prolong that complaint. I realize that all unsporting "T"s are judgment calls, but that one doesn't equate as being overly egregious to me. Maybe a warning. Sometimes.

And then again, maybe the coach was spot on. It was bad officiating to charge him with a TO imo also.

The coach was right about everything, except the way that he conducted himself. Telling an official that a decision is "really bad officiating" is greatly disrespectful and worthy of a technical foul. I'm really disappointed that such would come from someone who wears the stripes himself.

[Adam]

I'm with Nevada on this one, especially in a middle school game (some may disagree with that part).

I would not have charged the TO, but the "official" who was coaching ought to realize that any official who charges this TO is working "by the book" and isn't likely to be willing to take any grief in this situation. His emotions are up, he's already defensive, and he's likely to react this way. I have no real problem with the T, either.

I'm sorry, but saying "that's bad officiating" is personal, IMO.

Coach, next time, just get the official's attention and point to the injured player.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The coach was right about everything, except the way that he conducted himself. Telling an official that a decision is "really bad officiating" is greatly disrespectful and worthy of a technical foul. I'm really disappointed that such would come from someone who wears the stripes himself.

You must call a helluva lot of technical fouls if you call one every time something disrespectful is said.

[deecee]

I dont get why officials who coach are treated different?

I treat a coach as a coach. His past affiliations do not matter per game. His actions during the game will dictate how i interact with him and how i deal with him as well.

I dont give anyone credit that just because they know the rules and have worn the stripes that all of a sudden they will be logical and calm when they had a stake directly in the outcome of the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I dont get why officials who coach are treated different?

I treat a coach as a coach. His past affiliations do not matter per game. His actions during the game will dictate how i interact with him and how i deal with him as well.

I dont give anyone credit that just because they know the rules and have worn the stripes that all of a sudden they will be logical and calm when they had a stake directly in the outcome of the game.

You ought to consider re-reading what I wrote.

He doesn't get a higher standard because he's a ref. He gets a higher standard because he told me he's a ref (hypothetically). There's only one reason, during a game, to tell me he's a ref; and it's not a good one.

As I said before, if I know he's a ref and he never says it, then the standard is the same as for his coaching behavior. My respect for him as an official is a different story, however.

[Welpe]

I'd like to point out...again...that in addition to what Snaques () said, the "higher standard" I speak of is NOT about how the coach is treated on the court.

I acknowledge I came on a little strong and it seems that we are more or less on the same page. I was surprised that a fellow official would be surprised that he is held to a higher standard of conduct by his fellow officials OFF the court. Clearly it seems that is where the misunderstanding lies.

Despite the attempts of some posters here, I'm not trying to crucify B2C and blindly support anybody. I'm also not calling him a bad human being or saying what he does "FOR THE KIDS!!!" is a bad thing either.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You must call a helluva lot of technical fouls if you call one every time something disrespectful is said.

Actually, most of the coaches know not to behave in such a manner when I am on the court at this point and so I have very few instances of disrepectful comments and the result is only a few technical fouls. It certainly makes the working environment more pleasant.