Thoughts on Technical Foul

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

Yup, Defcon 1 for sure. You are assuming I was ranting and raving and screaming. Wrong. I simply told him in a normal conversation it was bad officiating. I like how I am held to a higher standard of other coaches because I officiate.

Sorry coach, but this is news to you? Of course you are.

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Sorry coach, but this is news to you? Of course you are.

Show me the rule.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

Show me the rule.

I'm not talking about in the game where you are subject the official's judgment, I am talking about in how you interact with your officials, as was tref, Nevada and everybody else that commented about it.

It's not a rule, it's an expectation of professional courtesy even if you are not being shown any in return. Of course we, as officials, hold our fellow brothers and sisters in stripes to a higher standard when it comes to conduct within our own ranks. We have enough problems with the ignorant and uniformed. I'm actually surprised that this surprises you.

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Sorry coach, but this is news to you? Of course you are.

So, what you are basically saying is that you will give another coach more leeway and hit me harder because I also officiate.

Therefore, you have no decided to give the other coach and advantage and already taken away your role as impartial official who is there to keep things fair.

Well done. And if you never know I also officiate, now what?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

So, what you are basically saying is that you will give another coach more leeway and hit me harder because I also officiate.

Therefore, you have no decided to give the other coach and advantage and already taken away your role as impartial official who is there to keep things fair.

Well done. And if you never know I also officiate, now what?

I don't believe he meant in-game that he would hold an official to a higher standard. Rather, when we have stories here about officials in a coaching role, we expect better of them because you know what it's like to be on the other end of the stick. If you want to see an example of that, search for a thread that poster Judtech started where he went off on the officials and the whole forum went off on him.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

So, what you are basically saying is that you will give another coach more leeway and hit me harder because I also officiate.

Never said that, you are inferring quite a bit. I already explained my comment. But if you are making it a point to tell me you are an official, my leash is already getting shorter on what I'm allowing you to get away with.

Therefore, you have no decided to give the other coach and advantage and already taken away your role as impartial official who is there to keep things fair.

Well done.

With the way you are willing to address fellow officials, I'm not surprised you got stuck. Too bad he didn't toss you too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

So, what you are basically saying is that you will give another coach more leeway and hit me harder because I also officiate.

Therefore, you have no decided to give the other coach and advantage and already taken away your role as impartial official who is there to keep things fair.

Well done. And if you never know I also officiate, now what?

Let me ask you, coach. Are you a registered official with your state? Are you in an association? Does your state or association have guidelines on how to behave when watching a game; particularly how you treat the officials on the court?

The fact is, you are held to a higher standard. Because:
1. Everyone in the gym that matters knows you're an official, and comments like that show the current officials up; intentionally or not.
2. The official knows you are an official, and comments like that are a personal attack due to your status.

Did tref overreact? Maybe, but we've all had the "ireftoo" coach who tries to tell us how to officiate his game.

There's a varsity ref in my association who also coaches Freshman girls. When you work his games, you wouldn't know he's an official except in how he phrases his questions. "What did you see on that? What was the call?" I've never had him argue a call.

In your situation, he would have simply turned around and walked back to his bench, ate his timeout, and probably said something to the assigner after the game.

[Big2Cat]

I truly posted to:

1) Find out if my feelings were correct that most would not charge a timeout to a coach in that situation

2) Was a T warranted

Most of you would make it an official's timeout for 1. Cool.

In 2, I also added that I was winning and had plenty of timeouts left. I was willing to point out my argument was unwarranted and it was an imperfect moment on my part. So the T certainly could have been warranted and I'm cool with this. The reality is I got a T and I understand why. He might have been right to give it to me--it's his decision and I respect that. I just didn't agree with it.

Thanks for the feedback. Being the coach at times gives me insight to both sides and I asked the question for feedback--not to take sides and certainly not to come under attack. It is all to become a better official and coach on my part.