Is there such an animal as a False Multiple Technical?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

NFHS rule 10-1-PENALTY(Art 6)?

If discovered (participating) while being violated. What defines whether, or not, a player is participating? Does it have to be during a live ball, clock running, situation? Can it be during a live ball, clock stopped situation, i.e., between two free throws?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If discovered (participating) while being violated. What defines whether, or not, a player is participating? Does it have to be during a live ball, clock running, situation? Can it be during a live ball, clock stopped situation, i.e., between two free throws?

Sigh.....

You've discovered the last secret of the universe, Billy. The NFHS did not make up an all-inclusive list of ALL situations when when players are participating. Bad NFHS rulesmakers! Bad, bad NFHS rulesmakers! Hey, how about you coming up with one? That'll give you something to do. Don't forget to post it here when you're done.

Untl then, sayonara.....

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I thought my first post answered the original question: Is there such an animal as a false multiple technical foul?

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I thought my first post answered the original question: Is there such an animal as a false multiple technical foul?

MTD, Sr.

And???

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hey, how about you coming up with one? That'll give you something to do. Don't forget to post it here when you're done.

Live ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Live ball?

Here let me do it for you....

For the puposes of administering NFHS rule 10-1-6, a player is participating:
1) during all live-ball, clock running situations.
2) during all live-ball, clock stopped situations.
3) during all dead-ball, clock running situations.

A player is not participating during dead-ball, clock stopped situations.

And so it is written, and so it shall be!

Now see if you can find any exceptions.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the purposes of administering NFHS rule 10-1-6, a player is participating:
1) during all live-ball, clock running situations.
2) during all live-ball, clock stopped situations.
3) during all dead-ball, clock running situations.
A player is not participating during dead-ball, clock stopped situations.

Sounds logical.

Six team members on the court after granting timeouts, and during free throws when the ball is not at the disposal for the free thrower: They aren't really "participating", therefore, no technical fouls charged.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Now see if you can find any exceptions.

Last Team A free throw is successful. Clock hasn't started. Six team members on Team A are setting up a full court press. Official becomes aware of the extra player before (dead ball) the ball is at the disposal of Team B for a run-the-endline throwin.

Are six team members on Team A participating? What's the call?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Last Team A free throw is successful. Clock hasn't started. Six team members on Team A are setting up a full court press. Official becomes aware of the extra player before (dead ball) the ball is at the disposal of Team B for a run-the-endline throwin.

Are six team members on Team A participating? What's the call?

If the ball is dead, the throw-in hasn't started yet, has it? isn't it also a substitution opportunity?

Why wouldn't you just get the extra player off, just like you're supposed to do on any other throw-in before letting the ball become live?

If you're going to look for reasons why the play is illegal, why not also maybe look for reasons why the play is legal?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Isn't it also a substitution opportunity?

No substitute at the table, and no horn for a substitute. An unused opportunity. And an official is not administering a throwin here, a time that most of us use to make sure that there aren't six team members on the court.

And, yes, I am looking for a valid reason to charge a technical foul here, not because I'm looking to be "that guy" and charge a technical foul, but rather, I'm looking for a citation that tells me when a technical foul can be charged, by the book.

I would love the rule to state that the sixth player must be "caught in the act" while the ball is live, or while the ball is dead and the clock is running, but the rule doesn't say that. It says, "Penalized if discovered while being violated (six team members participating)". Maybe this is one of those NFHS rules where the interpretation must be like Justice Potter Stewart's, "I know it (six team members participating simultaneously) when I see it".

Jurassic Referee, and Snaqwells, have impeccable credentials, but I would like to hear from a few other esteemed members on this issue. What defines, or describes, by the book, six team members participating simultaneously?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh.....

You've discovered the last secret of the universe, Billy. The NFHS did not make up an all-inclusive list of ALL situations when when players are participating. Bad NFHS rulesmakers! Bad, bad NFHS rulesmakers! Hey, how about you coming up with one? That'll give you something to do. Don't forget to post it here when you're done.

Untl then, sayonara.....

Can we get him to post it on the mythbusters forum?