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Double Foul During AP Throw-In
Play: A1 is holding the ball out of bounds for and alternating-possession throw-in. Prior to A1 releasing the ball, A4 and B5 are called for a double foul. How is play resumed? How is the alternating-possession arrow affected?
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I don't think fouls affect the AP status, although the POI was attempting the AP throw-in. I suspect the throw-in is an AP throw-in just as with the incomplete one at the time of the double foul.
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Assuming FED rules. (going by memory here)
1) no team control during the throw-in. 2) throw-in hadn't ended when double foul occurred, so possession arrow hasn't yet switched. 3) no FTs for a double foul. So, you report the double foul to the table, and resume play with A getting a second chance at an AP throw-in. After A completes the throw in, switch the possession arrow to B. Am I right? |
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Double foul goes with POI when there is team control. During a throw-in, there is no player control, hence no team control. So the subsequent throw-in will be based on possession arrow. However, the double foul occurred during a possession arrow throw-in. The foul does not cause the team entitled to the throw-in lose the possession arrow. The arrow stays, and the subsequent throw-in is for the no team control during a double foul go to the arrow throw-in.
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And what did RefMag say (what issue was it and was it in the NASO Membership portion of the magazine? MTD, Sr.
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1. Double fouls always go to POI. Always. 2. First stop: was there team control? No. 3. Next stop: was a throw-in involved or pending? Yes. Go back to that.
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Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.
I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.
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Everyone seems to be getting confused by the fact that the throw-in happens to be an AP throw-in. Anytime a DF happens during a throw-in, you simply resume that throw-in. Since this one is an AP throw-in, you go back and do the AP throw-in and flip the arrow when appropriate.
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That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.
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For example, change Bob's question to the following: B travels, so A has a throw-in for the violation. The arrow is currently pointing to B. A5 and B5 commit a double foul. As mentioned before, A5 and B5 are both charged for a foul, no FT's, and then A will get the original throw-in as a result of the POI, which was the throw-in they were attempting at the time of the double foul. B would not get an AP throw-in as a result of the double foul.
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