Throw-in, Double Foul

[tjones1]

Team A has the ball for a throw-in. A1 is the thrower. After A1 releases the ball and while the ball is still in the air (untouched by B and A), a double foul is called on B3 and A2.

What's the ruling?
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I say report the double foul and then give the ball back to Team A for a throw-in via POI, since the throw-in never ended.

Another says report the double foul and then go AP.

What's the ruling?

[zm1283]

Fed Rules: 6-4-3g

It's AP if a double personal foul occurs and the POI is such that neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved. (It's a throw-in, so there is no team control)

The other person is right. Go to the arrow.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Fed Rules: 6-4-3g

It's AP if a double personal foul occurs and the POI is such that neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved. (It's a throw-in, so there is no team control)

The other person is right. Go to the arrow.

Seems to me you are punishing the throw-in team since they never completed their throw-in. What about 4-36-2b?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Seems to me you are punishing the throw-in team since they never completed their throw-in. What about 4-36-2b?

That rule just talks about POI. You still inbound the ball at the POI, but the AP determines who gets to throw it in at the POI.

[tjones1]

Yes, but 4-36-1 says:
Method of resuming play due to ... a double personal foul... .

Play shall be resumed by one of the following methods:
a. ...
b. A free throw or a throw-in when the interruption occurred during this activity or if a team is entitled to such.
c. AP (which is basically 6-4-3g again)


To me, the throw-in was still occurring when the infraction took place. The throw-in was never touched by Team A or Team B. Why can't you go back to it?

Just having a hard time buying you go AP. To me, you punish the throw-in team.

If Team A has the arrow and just scores a bucket. Team B on their throw-in releases the ball without anyone touching it, B4 and A4 get banged with a double foul, you're giving the ball to Team A via the AP. Seems like they gain a huge advantage.

[Back In The Saddle]

Buzzzz. Thanks for playing.

The ball goes back to A for a throw-in. The AP arrow does not figure into this at all.

NFHS 4-36-2-b "A free throw or a throw-in when the interruption occurred during this activity or if a team is entitled to such."

The interruption occurred during the throw-in. The POI is the throw-in.

[Back In The Saddle]

So I'm bemused by the constant confusion over when to go to the AP. The AP is the last resort for POI. Yet so often I hear people wanting to make it the first choice.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by tjones1

If Team A has the arrow and just scores a bucket. Team B on their throw-in releases the ball without anyone touching it, B4 and A4 get banged with a double foul, you're giving the ball to Team A via the AP. Seems like they gain a huge advantage.

Thanks, BITS. I was using the situation above to try and convince him - wasn't buying it.

Now, zm1283. I totally agree with you had the throw-in ended.

[referee99]

As if on cue.
Referee Magazine, page 22, "Test Yourself"

2. After a goal by team A, B1 is holding the ball out of bounds on the endline for the ensuing throw-in. Before the throw-in ends, A2 and B3 are called for a double foul near the division line. How shall play continue?
a. Alternating possession throw-in.
b. Team B shall receive the throw-in.
c. The throw-in shall be nearest the spot of the foul.
d. The throw-in shall be anywhere along the endline where the original throw-in was to occur.
e. The throw-in shall be at a designated spot along the endline where the original throw-in was to occur.

[referee99]

Answers: b & d.
(NFHS 4-36-2b, 7-5-7b; NCAA 4-53-2c, 7-5-6, 7-5-10)

[Adam]

Well, at least they got one right.