Louisiana Officials Possible Strike?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would never talk to them about pay in an extensive way.

Yep, another good idea. Never talk extensively about pay to one of the guys who votes on whether you get your raise or not. That couldn't accomplish anything. Just stay home and refuse to work, even though you have an agreement in place to do so. That makes sense. Better yet, those guys should have walked out at halftime of the games on Tuesday. They'd probably have given us an immediate raise then.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yep, another good idea. Never talk extensively about pay to one of the guys who votes on whether you get your raise or not. That couldn't accomplish anything. Just stay home and refuse to work, even though you have an agreement in place to do so. That makes sense. Better yet, those guys should have walked out at halftime of the games on Tuesday. They'd probably have given us an immediate raise then.

I did not say you couldn't talk to them, I said I do not see the reason why to talk to them. I am a President of an organization and I do not talk to any Principal about pay of officials. Then again I do not work in a system where the state can "price fix" what everyone does throughout a large state. And I would not know when or how I would get into that kind of conversation. I am not going to call them. I guess I would talk to them before a game, but not likely. That is usually what the AD is for. But then again this is why your state is the laughing stock in this area (as well as some mechanical things you have done over the years too). Then again, talk away and still get paid less than the person you are talking to for the time he/she is at the game. The fact you keep standing up for this crap is telling to me.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say you couldn't talk to them, I said I do not see the reason why to talk to them.

Maybe we should hire you as our representative, with your great communication skills.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Maybe we should hire you as our representative, with your great communication skills.

You can be critical of my typing skills all day long. The bottom line I get paid enough for most games to pay for both a shirt and some pants almost every game. You do not get paid enough to pay for half of a full tank of gas in my truck. I have never been paid in my career as low as you have (other than one school that was close to my house at the time) than you have been paid all of this year.

My communication skills have nothing to do with that at all and maybe why you have not been given a raise in 21 years and I have never had to go out and ask for one. Then again no one in your area gets upset over how they look based on your post. I think I must be communicating something to the right people. This is a discussion board, what we say here means nothing in the end. You still are getting the shaft no matter how you want to say it.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The bottom line I get paid enough for most games to pay for both a shirt and some pants almost every game. You do not get paid enough to pay for half of a full tank of gas in my truck.

So now it has dissolved into "I have more stuff than you have." Very nice. Kinda like arguing with a 6 year old, except the 6 year old could type his messages better.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So now it has dissolved into "I have more stuff than you have." Very nice. Kinda like arguing with a 6 year old, except the 6 year old could type his messages better.

This has nothing to do with having more stuff. I cannot believe you and others would tolerate such a low rate. The issue is that it cost money to officiate and the fact that you are getting paid so low is the issue. This has nothing to do with having more than you; it is about what you put up with. I know I would not put up with that and you undermined a group that wanted to make it better for all of you. And instead of giving support, you cave to the pressure. And the fact that you assume that this is a childish comment is why you are in the situation you are in that state. When you accept peanuts you get peanuts.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know I would not put up with that.......

If you lived where I live you would put up with it or quit. I do not wish to quit.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Maybe we should hire you as our representative, with your great communication skills.

You guys need to hire someone. On our board we took a PAY CUT to $62.50 a game in order to get a 3rd official on the court for GV. We did this on our own volition. Before that we were getting $75.00 a game for public school varsity (3-man for boys; 2-man for girls). And we did this after losing our other public school conference to our ex-patriat commissioner; so we know all about losing business to competitors.

And we get $30/game for our rec leagues.

So nobody is really impressed about your 'success' in getting games in LA.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You guys need to hire someone. On our board we took a PAY CUT to $62.50 a game in order to get a 3rd official on the court for GV. We did this on our own volition. Before that we were getting $75.00 a game for public school varsity (3-man for boys; 2-man for girls). And we did this after losing our other public school conference to our ex-patriat commissioner; so we know all about losing business to competitors.

And we get $30/game for our rec leagues.

So nobody is really impressed about your 'success' in getting games in LA.

I work for two associations in FL. FHSAA sets a minimum for officials' pay. I am paid differently by the two associations. Within my primary association, there is a difference on JV games. One county pays $5 less but has 7 minute qtrs. My secondary assn had one school district eliminate MS teams and it resulted in fewer games available. That assn wanted to be able to provide enough games for everyone and had the fee for varsity split 3 ways for 2 officials. However, that assignor has more off-season opportunities, so I view it differently. I live at the extreme southern edge of my assn and schools in the secondary assn are closer than many in my primary. So, I plan that into my thinking.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Maybe we should hire you as our representative, with your great communication skills.

By "our representative", does the "our" mean the LA officials or the principals? From all of your previous posts, it seems fairly reasonable to assume that you're on the principals' side of this dispute.

That might not be a bad idea to hire Jeff anyway, JAR. Seriously. He understands the problem, knows that he's supposed to represent the interests of officials instead of the principals, and he also understands that you don't say anything to the side that you're negotiating with that might come back and haunt your side later.

Iow Jeff gets it. You don't.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Seriously. He understands the problem, knows that he's supposed to represent the interests of officials instead of the principals, and he also understands that you don't say anything to the side that you're negotiating with that might come back and haunt your side later.

What did I say that could possibly come back to haunt my side?