Louisiana Officials Possible Strike?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4 out of 14

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Obviously, you and your associations are going to have some soul searching to do this offseason. If your associations vote to walk/hold out, I don't think ANYONE would blame you. If your associations get a huge raise, that is b/c of everyones efforts.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I can see that argument. But, and this is a point made by both JAR and RICH, how many people ACTUALLY left. I am assuming there are more than 7 assocations in LA ( I could be wrong) and only 4 walked. so since less than 1/2 of the associations walked, the 'majority' didn't support that action.
If the schools come up with a low offer and the majority of the associations decide NOT to sign on, and someone crosses, then I have an issue. Again, I think the Associations hold most of the cards here, but for the next contract, not this one.

This is, IMO, the only potentially valid argument. jar notes his association didn't even vote on it; that tells me the leadership made a decision not to even let it come up. I wonder what percent of the associations that actually voted on it decided to walk.

The thing is, each association gets to make their own choice. And in my opinion, that choice should be honored by the neighboring associations.

I'm not sure how it works in LA, but here each association sets the price with the local school districts. There's a state minimum, but the local groups can pay more if they wish. If my local association decided to take a stand on something like this, and the group 90 minutes away offered to step in and help the schools out, I'd have a big problem with that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Obviously, you and your associations are going to have some soul searching to do this offseason. If your associations vote to walk/hold out, I don't think ANYONE would blame you. If your associations get a huge raise, that is b/c of everyones efforts.

I disagree, I think. It'll be because of the efforts of 4 associations out of 14. The other 10 will be benefiting from the 4 who actually stood up for themselves.

And in the case of those who crossed the "picket line," they will have benefited in spite of their weak-kneed response.

[Judtech]

Yeah, this is probably where we differ. 4 out of 14 does not a threat make, IMO. It equals a temper tantrum. 10 out of 14 is a threat. (Or 8)

[Rich]

How do we know where the other associations stand? JAR's didn't even put it to a vote of the membership.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

no

And that just confirms what I think of you and your ethics. And the fact that your biggest booster is somebody like Judtech is pretty telling also.

JAR, I sureashell wouldn't dream of ever turning my back on either of you.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

How do we know where the other associations stand? JAR's didn't even put it to a vote of the membership.

+1

For all we know, if the other associations followed JAR's and didn't even take a vote, that 4/14 might have been a lot more than that. I'm not sure why an association would decide not to take a vote on such an important issue.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

How do we know where the other associations stand? JAR's didn't even put it to a vote of the membership.

We don't know what an actual head count would show, but we do know where the associations stood. Apparently the majority of the spokesmen either went along with the majority viewpoint since it was the majority, thought a stoppage at this time would not be productive, or simply thought, as I do, that refusing to work after having an agreement to do so, was not an option.

[26 Year Gap]

Wonder how large the 4 associations are with respect to the whole? Do they represent a third of the total? Two-thirds? I have to guess that they were not 4 tiny associations with minimal impact.

A quick look at maxpreps.com indicates there are about 400 schools in LA. Some 80 games were called off. So, 160 schools were affected. Others covered by those associations may not have been scheduled. And some games may have been covered by officials outside of the associations that normally work those games. I'm gonna venture a guess that these 4 assns represent more than 28.6% of the officials and schools covered.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

+1

For all we know, if the other associations followed JAR's and didn't even take a vote, that 4/14 might have been a lot more than that. I'm not sure why an association would decide not to take a vote on such an important issue.

Good question. I could guess the answer -- probably has to do with $.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that just confirms what I think of you and your ethics. And the fact that your biggest booster is somebody like Judtech is pretty telling also.

JAR, I sureashell wouldn't dream of ever turning my back on either of you.

The fact that I was not asked my opinion is a reflection of my ethics??

wow

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So now it has dissolved into "I have more stuff than you have." Very nice. Kinda like arguing with a 6 year old, except the 6 year old could type his messages better.

This has nothing to do with having more stuff. I cannot believe you and others would tolerate such a low rate. The issue is that it cost money to officiate and the fact that you are getting paid so low is the issue. This has nothing to do with having more than you; it is about what you put up with. I know I would not put up with that and you undermined a group that wanted to make it better for all of you. And instead of giving support, you cave to the pressure. And the fact that you assume that this is a childish comment is why you are in the situation you are in that state. When you accept peanuts you get peanuts.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know I would not put up with that.......

If you lived where I live you would put up with it or quit. I do not wish to quit.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you lived where I live you would put up with it or quit. I do not wish to quit.

I don't live where you do and I also work more than HS ball. Doubt seriously I would have to quit.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

We don't know what an actual head count would show, but we do know where the associations stood. Apparently the majority of the spokesmen either went along with the majority viewpoint since it was the majority, thought a stoppage at this time would not be productive, or simply thought, as I do, that refusing to work after having an agreement to do so, was not an option.

The associations are comprised of members. If you don't know what the headcount would show, you have no idea what your association thinks.

Who makes the decision anyway -- an assignor who has a financial stake in assigning? A board of directors? This is a decision that should be made by the membership. One official, one vote. Nothing less.