Team Control Mechanic Not Authorized in Ohio

[jhc2010]

This is from the Ohio High School Official Association. They do not allow their officials to use the punch for a team control foul and require officials to go against the NFHS mechanics manual and go behind the head when calling an illegal screen.

"Several questions have been raised concerning the proper signal for a “team control” foul. There has been no change from the previous years. In Ohio, we will continue to use signal #34 for both TEAM and PLAYER control fouls. We will NOT use signal #35 for TEAM control fouls. Again, there is no change from past years."

http://www.ohsaa.org/officials/Offic...TER%202011.pdf

They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today:
"Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference.

What's up with this?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today:
"Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference.

What's up with this?

Sounds like somebody is exercising their individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Sounds like somebody is exercising their individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics.

Either that or practicing to be IAABO members when they grow up.....

Bad Woddy! Bad, bad Woddy!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Either that or practicing to be IAABO members when they grow up.

We don't modify mechanics. We have our own stoopid IAABO mechanics.

[Welpe]

And suddenly I have this image of BillyMac in a bathrobe with a half consumed bottle of wine on his desk giggling at his computer monitor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

And suddenly I have this image of BillyMac in a bathrobe with a half consumed bottle of wine on his desk giggling at his computer monitor.

Sorry. I didn't realize my webcam was on.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We don't modify mechanics. We have our own stoopid IAABO mechanics.

That was point, William. Ohio and IAABO both feel free to make up their very own mechanics.

Now ask me if I care.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ohio and IAABO both feel free to make up their very own mechanics.

Hey. It's a free country.

Well, at least most of the countries served by IAABO are free.

I think?

Bermuda? Japan? Philippines? Korea?

Do we have IAABO boards in North Korea?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Sounds like somebody is exercising their individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics.

Aaaannnnd that is their right to do so.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Additionally, a PC foul is essentially just a special version of at TC foul. If you apply the same extension for an airborne shooter to the TC foul, every PC foul would also be a TC foul. Just get rid of the PC foul since the only real difference is that it is specifically on the player with the ball but it has no additional consequence.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Additionally, a PC foul is essentially just a special version of at TC foul. If you apply the same extension for an airborne shooter to the TC foul, every PC foul would also be a TC foul. Just get rid of the PC foul since the only real difference is that it is specifically on the player with the ball but it has no additional consequence.

1) Camron, I agree with you it would be a logical and rational thing to do.

2) I am getting old and forgetful so I do not remember if the NCAA adopted the definition for Team Control Foul (TCF) and changing the penalty from awarding a throw-in to the foulee's team if the foulee's team is not in the bonus and awarding free throws to the foulee if the foulee's team is in the bonus to awarding a throw-in to the foulee's team one year before the NFHS did or if both Rules Committees adopted the definition and penalty in the same year.

That said, when the NFHS adopted the TCF definition the OhioHSAA decided that it would not use the NFHS's the TCF foul signal because it did not want to confuse () the players, coaches (), scorers () and fans (ROFLMAO).

That said (again), I use the TCF signal because I am a curmudgeonly old geezer (just ask my better half and our two sons and my sons will tell you that I am a bald old geezer, ) who agrees with Camron.

3) As I was writing this post I had a third point that I wanted to make but once again, because I am getting old and forgetful I cannot remember what my third point was going to be.

MTD, Sr.

[Texas Aggie]

Just get rid of the PC foul

Why? Is it really that hard to know and use 2 signals for 2 different fouls? I don't understand the mindset that because they added the TC foul signal, that means we need to look at see if the PC foul signal is necessary.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Why? Is it really that hard to know and use 2 signals for 2 different fouls? I don't understand the mindset that because they added the TC foul signal, that means we need to look at see if the PC foul signal is necessary.

Why is it needed? When it comes down to it, a PC foul is also a TC foul.

It's like the NFHS football rule on blocking below the waist. What's the point in having clipping, since clipping is blocking below the waist?

[SNIPERBBB]

Because a PC foul can occur when there is no TC

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

This is from the Ohio High School Official Association. They do not allow their officials to use the punch for a team control foul and require officials to go against the NFHS mechanics manual and go behind the head when calling an illegal screen.

"Several questions have been raised concerning the proper signal for a “team control” foul. There has been no change from the previous years. In Ohio, we will continue to use signal #34 for both TEAM and PLAYER control fouls. We will NOT use signal #35 for TEAM control fouls. Again, there is no change from past years."

http://www.ohsaa.org/officials/Offic...TER%202011.pdf

They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today:
"Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference.

What's up with this?

As a new-to-Ohio referee, it caught me by surprise. I don't remember it being covered by the online rules meeting I took and I've been using the team control signal all year.

It's strange to me also because in the soccer rules meeting they made a big deal about how OHSAA would be kicked out of the NFHS if they deviated at all from the Fed book but apparently it's important enough to risk for basketball.