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Old Sat Jan 08, 2011, 03:56am
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This is from the Ohio High School Official Association. They do not allow their officials to use the punch for a team control foul and require officials to go against the NFHS mechanics manual and go behind the head when calling an illegal screen.

"Several questions have been raised concerning the proper signal for a “team control” foul. There has been no change from the previous years. In Ohio, we will continue to use signal #34 for both TEAM and PLAYER control fouls. We will NOT use signal #35 for TEAM control fouls. Again, there is no change from past years."

http://www.ohsaa.org/officials/Offic...TER%202011.pdf

They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today:
"Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference.

What's up with this?

Any guesses as to the rationale behind this decision?

Sometimes NFHS makes boneheaded decisions regarding mechanics- i.e. trail going table side on FT attempts and I can see an organization wanting to do what is best for the game and their members but this one has me guessing.

Myself, as much as I like the punch for TC fouls, I think it is important to differentiate between a PC and TC foul.

Luckily we are getting into FIBA time now in my area so I get to use their signals for charging fouls by an player with the ball.
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Old Sat Jan 08, 2011, 02:38pm
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Constable, why do you think it is important to differentiate between the two? Just curious.
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Old Sat Jan 08, 2011, 02:53pm
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Any guesses as to the rationale behind this decision?

Sometimes NFHS makes boneheaded decisions regarding mechanics- i.e. trail going table side on FT attempts and I can see an organization wanting to do what is best for the game and their members but this one has me guessing.

Myself, as much as I like the punch for TC fouls, I think it is important to differentiate between a PC and TC foul.

Luckily we are getting into FIBA time now in my area so I get to use their signals for charging fouls by an player with the ball.
Why is it boneheaded for the trail to go table side on FT attempts? I think it's an excellent mechanic. If a coach has a problem with a call I made, I can deal with it right there and then rather than have my partner deal with that.

Also why do we need to differentiate between player and team control fouls?
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Old Sat Jan 08, 2011, 04:38pm
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Why is it boneheaded for the trail to go table side on FT attempts? I think it's an excellent mechanic. If a coach has a problem with a call I made, I can deal with it right there and then rather than have my partner deal with that.

Also why do we need to differentiate between player and team control fouls?

It is not boneheaded at the NCAA and NBA/WNBA level, BUT not at the NFHS level. Why? Coaches at the H.S. level tend to be (Hank Nichols was once asked does a coach have to do to get a TF from him and he responded "when he acts like a jerk.") jerks, and if the T is the one that called the foul that is drawing the ire of the coach directly behind him, there is a very good chance that a TF could follow.

Why, did the NFHS adopt this stupid (yes, I said stupid) mechanic for H.S. games? Mary Struckhoff is an NCAA Div. I Women's and WNBA official. You do the math. I have officiated college basketball for far too many years than I care to remember and I do not have a problem with being in front of the bench, but it is just a stupid idea for the H.S. game.

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P.S. Regarding my second post (Go to Page 4, 3rd post down; it is a good read.) in this thread, I remember now remember what my third point was. If one peruses the first couple of pages of the NFHS Basketball Rules Book, one will find the page with the names and pictures of the members of the Rules Committee. Check out who the Chairman of the Rules Committee and for which StateHSAA he is an Assistant Commissioner.
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Why is it boneheaded for the trail to go table side on FT attempts? I think it's an excellent mechanic. If a coach has a problem with a call I made, I can deal with it right there and then rather than have my partner deal with that.

Also why do we need to differentiate between player and team control fouls?

Because not every PC foul is a TC foul.

I don't see the advantage of moving yourself closer to a coach. If he has a question, he can ask it and I will address it when time permits.
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Old Sun Jan 09, 2011, 05:41am
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Because not every PC foul is a TC foul.
True, but exactly what do you different after you call a TC foul and you do when you call a PC foul? Why the need for two fouls that identify the same action but one tells the offender has the ball or is a shooter (both things everyone can see for themselves).
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