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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 11:32am
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Team Control Mechanic

Last night in my chapter meeting there seems to be some confusion on whether or not they have change the procedure of the mechanic of a team control foul. Last year it was the following sequence. Raised fist in air, followed by "punch signal" followed by signal of fouls (example push, block, ect. ) then point to spot out of bounds. When at the table they wanted just what the foul was. Push, block ect.

Now this year we are being told (but not concretely) that it is the same but when we report to the table we just show the "punch aka team control mechanic.

Has anyone else heard of this, I ref in Pennsylvania, not sure if this is a state thing or not. I am positive that it was how I stated it was last year because that was in the "preseason bulletin" that was published by the PIAA. I am hoping that when the November issue is released there is something that talks about this.
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 11:51am
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This is likely a local thing and something that did not have to change in other circles to have a recommendation.

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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 12:03pm
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When at the table they wanted just what the foul was. Push, block ect.

Now this year we are being told (but not concretely) that it is the same but when we report to the table we just show the "punch aka team control mechanic.

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Isn't it more important to show the punch at the desk in order to signal no FTs than to show the type of foul (block/push/etc)?

Is there something I'm missing as to why the desk needs to know if was a push or a grab?
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 12:20pm
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Isn't it more important to show the punch at the desk in order to signal no FTs than to show the type of foul (block/push/etc)?

Is there something I'm missing as to why the desk needs to know if was a push or a grab?
I agree, but "desk"? Come on Spence. that's too funny
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 12:21pm
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Isn't it more important to show the punch at the desk in order to signal no FTs than to show the type of foul (block/push/etc)?

Is there something I'm missing as to why the desk needs to know if was a push or a grab?
You are communicating to more than just the table. I would make the case that is just as valuable to give the type of foul committed so that everyone knows what took place. The Team Control signal is to communicate a specific course of action after the foul.

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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 12:21pm
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I agree, but "desk"? Come on Spence. that's too funny
I guess as a rook, I'll have to bite: What? Desk v table?
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 12:24pm
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No biggie, just never heard of that one before. As long as you don't call "over the back fouls" & use the "tip signal" for blocked shots, we're good
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 12:43pm
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No biggie, just never heard of that one before. As long as you don't call "over the back fouls" & use the "tip signal" for blocked shots, we're good

At least he didn't say credenza.........
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 04:01pm
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At least he didn't say credenza.........
Or bureau.
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 04:27pm
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I remember a decent sized thread about team control fouls and how to report them not too long ago. If you search for it you'll probably find it.
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 04:35pm
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You are communicating to more than just the table. I would make the case that is just as valuable to give the type of foul committed so that everyone knows what took place. The Team Control signal is to communicate a specific course of action after the foul.

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I hear what you're saying, but we don't do the same for a PCF. Why the distinction?
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I hear what you're saying, but we don't do the same for a PCF. Why the distinction?
We don't? I give the signal for a PC foul at the spot and at the table. Am I wrong?
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 04:54pm
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We don't? I give the signal for a PC foul at the spot and at the table. Am I wrong?
JRut is arguing that you should give the foul type at the table as well as the TC signal.

I'm asking why that is not done for PC foul.
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 04:58pm
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JRut is arguing that you should give the foul type at the table as well as the TC signal.

I'm asking why that is not done for PC foul.
That's what I get for only paying half-a$$ attention. I'll slowly back away now.
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Old Thu Nov 13, 2008, 04:59pm
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JRut is arguing that you should give the foul type at the table as well as the TC signal.

I'm asking why that is not done for PC foul.
TC can be a hold, block, or push. FED wants that signal (which was all that was done before the 'punch' came along) included in the mechanic. Probably b/c the call is off-ball they want everyone to know what occurred to cause the foul.

PC has always its own signal and everybody eyes are already on that play, no further signal needed.
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