UCLA vs. KU game

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Tell that to Ben Howland....

Via the LA Times:

UCLA Coach Ben Howland didn't contain his displeasure with the call after watching the replay on a computer in the locker room.

"Really, really a poor way to end the game on a call," Howland said. "Normally, you wouldn't make that kind of call at that point in the game unless it was very obvious, and from what I saw it was very disappointing to have the game end on that note."

Is Ben Howland the director of officiating for the conference and a coach?

[Seddy]

Nope, just a coach understandably frustrated with a ticky-tack call deciding a game in which his kids fought hard throughout and battled back to tie.

The problem with refs wanting to hide behind the "a foul is a foul is a foul" argument and make the art of officiating black and white is the fact that this call literally decided the game. I guarantee you that similar "fouls" earlier in the game were let go. I'd venture a guess that there's a part of the official (Doug Sirmons) who wishes he hadn't blown his whistle.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Nope, just a coach understandably frustrated with a ticky-tack call deciding a game in which his kids fought hard throughout and battled back to tie.

The problem with refs wanting to hide behind the "a foul is a foul is a foul" argument and make the art of officiating black and white is the fact that this call literally decided the game. I guarantee you that similar "fouls" earlier in the game were let go. I'd venture a guess that there's a part of the official (Doug Sirmons) who wishes he hadn't blown his whistle.

Who else was in that officiating crew?

[Seddy]

Scott Thornley & Tom O'Neill

[APG]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Nope, just a coach understandably frustrated with a ticky-tack call deciding a game in which his kids fought hard throughout and battled back to tie.

The problem with refs wanting to hide behind the "a foul is a foul is a foul" argument and make the art of officiating black and white is the fact that this call literally decided the game. I guarantee you that similar "fouls" earlier in the game were let go. I'd venture a guess that there's a part of the official (Doug Sirmons) who wishes he hadn't blown his whistle.

The problem with the media and general public is on one instance, they want to "let the players on the floor decide the game." Then when there's an instance where a no call happens at the end of the game, we hear the usually dreck about us "swallowing our whistles" and that "a foul is a foul." A no-win situation.

Do I think the official who made the call regrets the whistle? I doubt it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Nope, just a coach understandably frustrated with a ticky-tack call deciding a game in which his kids fought hard throughout and battled back to tie.
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How about describing the play for those of us who didn't see it instead of just giving it the lame "ticky-tack" label.

[Seddy]

Judge for yourselves....

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Judge for yourselves....

http://http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/

I can't, firewall only allows videos from YouTube and it's not on there. So pretend it's a non-media game and you are describing the play to your supervisor.

[Seddy]

UCLA hits a 3 to tie the game with 4 seconds to go. KU inbounds quickly, gets it across half-court, one of the Morris twins attempts to go up for a jumper but is cleanly stripped, which leads to a loose ball. KU's Mario Little and UCLA's Malcolm Lee both pursue. Both players have a hand on the ball with Lee's momentum creating contact with Morris.

[JRutledge]

Looks like a foul to me. If the UCLA player was under control then you would not put anyone in a situation to be called for a foul. If that is a foul in the first minute of the game, it is a foul in the last minute of the game.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Seddy

UCLA hits a 3 to tie the game with 4 seconds to go. KU inbounds quickly, gets it across half-court, one of the Morris twins attempts to go up for a jumper but is cleanly stripped, which leads to a loose ball. KU's Mario Little and UCLA's Malcolm Lee both pursue. Both players have a hand on the ball with Lee's momentum creating contact with Morris.

Sounds like a foul on Lee...

Just because they both have a hand on the loose ball does not mean that one of them gets to knock the other one down.

If the contact had been created by the KU player, and the officials had NOT called it, Howland would be whining about the no-call, and Seddy would be posting on here about how bad the officials were for swallowing their whistles when it mattered.

Sigh...fanboy season has officially arrived.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Judge for yourselves....

NCAA - Men's College Basketball Teams, Scores, Stats, News, Standings, Rumors - ESPN

from the video provided, it does appear the UCLA player displaced the KU player who was reaching for the ball

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

from the video provided, it does appear the UCLA player displaced the KU player who was reaching for the ball

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

If Sirmons holds his whistle, KU's bench and Bill Self probably briefly "ask" for a call and then move on to overtime.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

If Sirmons holds his whistle, KU's bench and Bill Self probably briefly "ask" for a call and then move onto to overtime.

Or you'd hear him complain about "a foul being a foul," and that officials can't "swallow their whistles."

"Let the players decide the game" vs. "swallow the whistle"...either way you're going hear a mouthful from the coach on the short end of the stick, so you might as well just call what you see and not worry about what's on the clock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

Does that mean you agree that had the play happened with 7 minutes to go, you'd agree it was a foul?

Sure, we miss calls (including calling "fouls" that aren't). But, anytime someone uses the "at that point in the game" argument, I tend to tune out.

If you want to discuss whether the contact rises to the level of a foul, then that's different (and, again, I didn't see the play, not am I likely to be able to).