NFHS 2010-11 Basketball Exam Questions

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have yet to work any level and someone to ask what my test score is in any sport.

Peace

It's not asked for, it's supplied automatically every Monday by the state to every association's commissioner.

You're system is not the same as our system. And, in fact, our by-laws do make some references to test scores. Our test is on-line and open book with at a 4 week period to finish it, so having the questions early is really a moot point around here. But it shows that it can come into play depending on what system you're involved in.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's not asked for, it's supplied automatically every Monday by the state to every association's commissioner.

You're system is not the same as our system. And, in fact, our by-laws do make some references to test scores. Our test is on-line and open book with at a 4 week period to finish it, so having the questions early is really a moot point around here. But it shows that it can come into play depending on what system you're involved in.

I understand we have a different system. But you cannot expect that I am going to care what you do when it does not affect me. Just like I cannot care if one teacher in school gives tests one way and the teacher teaching the same subject next door has a different standard. This is why people in college will take one teacher over another because of their standards they might use.

People are asking for the test in many cases (not all of course) are asking legitimately for what will help them without cheating. But we have people that jump off the deep end because they simply asked and are unaware of what others do across the country. And if I did not know that before, I really know that as the NF test does nothing for me other than to use as a study tool. And even that will be limited. Almost all my state's test questions are not going to be asked in that format. I will have to know more about the rules and knowing what the specific length of a channel on a basketball is.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I understand we have a different system. But you cannot expect that I am going to care what you do when it does not affect me. Just like I cannot care if one teacher in school gives tests one way and the teacher teaching the same subject next door has a different standard. This is why people in college will take one teacher over another because of their standards they might use.

People are asking for the test in many cases (not all of course) are asking legitimately for what will help them without cheating. But we have people that jump off the deep end because they simply asked and are unaware of what others do across the country. And if I did not know that before, I really know that as the NF test does nothing for me other than to use as a study tool. And even that will be limited. Almost all my state's test questions are not going to be asked in that format. I will have to know more about the rules and knowing what the specific length of a channel on a basketball is.

Peace

I didn't ask if you cared or if anyone else did. You made a statement about people never asking for your test score. To me that's irrelevant.

If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, wear the shoes you already have and let someone else try on the shoe.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

People are asking for the test in many cases (not all of course) are asking legitimately for what will help them without cheating. But we have people that jump off the deep end because they simply asked and are unaware of what others do across the country.

I'm well aware of what others do across the country. And I'm also well aware of the fact that some people(not all, of course) will cheat to gain an advantage if the exam or answers are posted here before they are slated to write it.

Maybe you need to get your blinkers off and look outside the borders of Illinois, Jeff. Just because something isn't a problem in your area doesn't mean that it couldn't be a huge problem in another area. Just Another Ref gave you a prime example where an early copy of the test could be invaluable to someone who doesn't know the rules that well and also doesn't want to put in the time to learn them. His area isn't the only area.

How about we do this? If anyone comes here asking for an early copy of the exam or answers to be posted, I'll tell 'em to screw off and you PM them and send them a copy. That should keep both of us happy.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That should keep both of us happy.

We've never actually seen you happy.

[biggravy]

Again, let me apologize for my lack of awareness of how things are done in other states. I am sorry. Now I know.

FWIW, I was on a 48 hour shift and wanted to work on the test that I had left at home. I did finally get to work on the test this week. I choose not to participate in the "group meetings" where one could be a fly on the wall. I worked through the test myself as a way to study the rules. I looked up every questions then cross references the case book. I learn something new every year by doing this. It took me 8 hours. If anyone has the open format like we do, I would encourage them to work through the test and look up EVERYTHING, even if you think you know it. It's a great way to refresh on the rules for the upcoming season.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Again, let me apologize for my lack of awareness of how things are done in other states. I am sorry. Now I know.

FWIW, I was on a 48 hour shift and wanted to work on the test that I had left at home. I did finally get to work on the test this week. I choose not to participate in the "group meetings" where one could be a fly on the wall. I worked through the test myself as a way to study the rules. I looked up every questions then cross references the case book. I learn something new every year by doing this. It took me 8 hours. If anyone has the open format like we do, I would encourage them to work through the test and look up EVERYTHING, even if you think you know it. It's a great way to refresh on the rules for the upcoming season.

I take the test myself as well. Our state allows "open book" association tests, which really means everyone shows up and they read the answers off and they mail the tests in. I do the Part 2 before the meeting and take my answer sheet to check my answers with the correct ones. I feel like I'm in the vast minority of people who do this, as most tend to not even look at the questions and simply color in the answer sheet and mail it off.

It's no wonder I get told "You read too much into rules", when actually it's because I know the rules and choose to enforce them as written instead of making up my own like some do.

[BillyMac]

We used to work on the refresher exam as individuals in an open book format. The exam would then be submitted to our rating committee who would correct the exam, with each member getting rating points based on how many questions each member got right on the refresher exam. Our rating system (peer ratings, refresher exam, meeting attendance, availability) produces a ranking, and the number, level, and quality of your assigned games is based on this ranking, so it's a big deal.

The problem was that there were too many master answer sheets available from many sources, within our local board, from other boards in the state, and from other states. These master answer sheets somehow made their way into the hands of a large portion of our membership. If you "knew a guy" then you able to get your hands on these master answer sheets. If you weren't "connected" then you were on your own. Those with the master answer sheets always got full credit, and the full number of rating points for their answers. Those without access to these master answer sheets almost always got far fewer answers correct, and thus, a lower number of rating points.

How did our rating committee fix this? They gave up. Now we still work on the exam as individuals with an open book format. Then we bring our test and answers to one of several officially sanctioned "study groups". Your "ticket" into one of these "study groups" is a completed exam, with no regard for the number of correct, or incorrect, answers. The group leader, usually a veteran official, has the master answer sheet. At these sessions we take turns reading the questions, giving our answers, discussing our answers, and correcting our incorrect answers. Attendance is taken at these "study groups".

If you attend one of these officially sanctioned "study groups", then you get full credit for the refresher exam portion of your rating for the season. If you don't attend, you get no credit. If you have an emergency (family, work, illness, etc) and can't attend, then you have the option of handing in an exam that will be corrected and counted the "old fashioned" way, but at this point almost everybody on our local board has the correct answers so it's all academic at this point.