NCAA question

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

I am new to the site and new to college officiating.

Looking for input on the following situation, it is a casebook play (A.R.77)

Bonus is in effect; and while the ball is in flight during a try for goal, A1 charges into B1, which is Team A's 7th foul in the half. Then, there is BI by

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even though A1 is an airborne shooter?

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JR, Nevada,

Where in the sitch does it indicate an airborne shooter? Since A1 was not fouled, it does not matter in the sitch as the ball has left the shooters hand, correct?
(It also does not say that A1 was not airborne)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Where in the sitch does it indicate an airborne shooter?

It doesn't. But, if A1 had returned to the ground, then the ruling is the same in all codes (B shoots bonus FTs), and the OP (likely) wouldn't be confused.

So, the logical (but not definitive) assumption is that A1 is airborne.

[Tio]

I know it is confusing, but the NCAA diffentiates a Charge vs. Player control foul...

A charge refers to the situation where there is a release and crash. The player control refers to when there is contact before the release.

I was really confused by the plays in the casebook and this terminology. The rules folks should probably look at the word choice and make it clearer.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Tio

I know it is confusing, but the NCAA diffentiates a Charge vs. Player control foul...

It's not confusing, just different. And it's NCAA-M, not all NCAA.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

I know it is confusing, but the NCAA diffentiates a Charge vs. Player control foul...

A charge refers to the situation where there is a release and crash. The player control refers to when there is contact before the release.

I was really confused by the plays in the casebook and this terminology. The rules folks should probably look at the word choice and make it clearer.

Originally Posted by mbyron

It's not confusing, just different. And it's NCAA-M, not all NCAA.

To be even more precise, "charges" cover only a portion of PC fouls, and PC fouls only cover a portion of "charging" fouls. The terms "charge" and "player control" are not interchangeable.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To be even more precise, "charges" cover only a portion of PC fouls, and PC fouls only cover a portion of "charging" fouls. The terms "charge" and "player control" are not interchangeable.

No... there is no player control on a release and then a crash. This is what the NCAA men's casebook refers to as a Charge.

It is really confusing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

No... there is no player control on a release and then a crash. This is what the NCAA men's casebook refers to as a Charge.

It is really confusing.

True, but slightly off my point.
A charge does not require player control, it doesn't even require the player ever had the ball or be on offense. Example: A2 sets a screen and B1 plows through it. This is a charging foul.

Some rebounding fouls are also charges.