as a crew...

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You'd better know the local politics well before you do something like this. You may be 100% right but kicking up a fuss with a couple of good ol' boys that may have a l'il stroke in your area might just be the worst thing that you can do as a new official.

Unfortunately, there's a real world out there. And the right thing isn't necessarily the smartest thing...or the best option.

Again, jmo.

+1

Know who's who in your neck of the woods! Pissing off the wrong person could land you in F/JV circuit for good.


That being said, in regards to vbzebras sitch, lets be good partners & get the call right!! I hate when "partners" dont give help because you didn't ask for it, especially on plays they know you can't see

At the end of the day, egos aside, lets get it right as we are paid to do.

[GoodwillRef]

If you have definite knowledge that will help the crew and the game you better come forward with it. Don't wait until we are in the locker room.

[tref]

Yeah it doesn't do us much good at that time, does it.

But you know what they say, everybody isn't cut out to be an R!

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by tref

Yeah it doesn't do us much good at that time, does it.

But you know what they say, everybody isn't cut out to be an R!

We have to make sure we pregrame this and if you are the R on the game make sure you make your crew confortable with coming in and giving information.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

We have to make sure we pregrame this and if you are the R on the game make sure you make your crew confortable with coming in and giving information.

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

[GoodwillRef]

Then it would have only taken 5 seconds if they would have called the obvious foul that both of them had.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

The Lead shouldn't get a shove in the back that's right in front of him? I get 'em all the time.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

[zeedonk]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

Absoultely. This is one of the items on the pregame checklist. Admittedly, I don't always pregame summer/aau/wreck games unless I'm with a cadet or somebody I don't know. And God bless you for having summer 3 person games. We don't have much.

Our 3 man mechanics have taught us that as L, this is not your foul to call (unless it's obvious and you see it). Your call is the OOB, which you made without question. This is one of those situations where when it happened to me, I just made a mental note of which jokers I was working with and made an on the spot determination if I was gonna press it any further. I was also wondering if the bench or players were complaining about the non-call...?

If you know your rules and know your on court positioning and mechanics, you can be confident that you are right regardless of your partner(s).

Z

[asdf]

Originally Posted by tref

+1

Know who's who in your neck of the woods! Pissing off the wrong person could land you in F/JV circuit for good.

Baloney !!

This is no different than handling a coach that's been around forever.

If the guy's ego is so fragile that a 'newbie" sets him straight, then more people need to be setting him straight.

The culture (knowing who's who) will remain until we so something about it.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by asdf

Baloney !!

This is no different than handling a coach that's been around forever.

If the guy's ego is so fragile that a 'newbie" sets him straight, then more people need to be setting him straight.

The culture (knowing who's who) will remain until we so something about it.

I totally agree...in our area this is the difference between old school officials and new school officials. Our local association was ran by the old guard until about 8-10 years ago, I think the association has been better off since the new guard took over.

[tref]

Originally Posted by asdf

Baloney !!

This is no different than handling a coach that's been around forever.

If the guy's ego is so fragile that a 'newbie" sets him straight, then more people need to be setting him straight.

The culture (knowing who's who) will remain until we so something about it.

I respect that, but is not easier to make change from the inside, as oppossed to being the new kid on the block who is merely trying to get in??

[GoodwillRef]

The bigger issue is that the veteran officials didn't have his back at all, and because of that the coach was riding the new guys for a situation that could have been corrected in 15 seconds.

[Pete]

It sounds like you were set up by the vets. Lesson learned. Pregame the event by saying that sometimes I miss behind contact as lead and would appreciate any help from C and T. You will soon learn who is with you and who is not.