as a crew...

[GoodwillRef]

"I would come across as some pompus, in-experienced hot shot, questioning seasoned veterans (a no no on our board when working with certain vets). "

This is total crap...if you are not going to work as a crew than I don't want to work with them. I would have come off at a pompus a$$ and questioned them big time. Call the DARN foul.

Just because you are a seasoned veteran official doesn't mean you are any good or don't make mistakes...I am pissed for you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I would have come off at a pompus a$$ and questioned them big time.

You'd better know the local politics well before you do something like this. You may be 100% right but kicking up a fuss with a couple of good ol' boys that may have a l'il stroke in your area might just be the worst thing that you can do as a new official.

Unfortunately, there's a real world out there. And the right thing isn't necessarily the smartest thing...or the best option.

Again, jmo.

[GoodwillRef]

Then the bigger question is why is the environment like that? Why are we killing ourselves? What year of officiating do you become untouchable...year 10-15? In our association our veteran officials try to improve themselves every year and are willing to give feedback and well as receive it. A crew means a team of three...no part being more improtant than the other two.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You'd better know the local politics well before you do something like this. You may be 100% right but kicking up a fuss with a couple of good ol' boys that may have a l'il stroke in your area might just be the worst thing that you can do as a new official.

Unfortunately, there's a real world out there. And the right thing isn't necessarily the smartest thing...or the best option.

Again, jmo.

+1

Know who's who in your neck of the woods! Pissing off the wrong person could land you in F/JV circuit for good.


That being said, in regards to vbzebras sitch, lets be good partners & get the call right!! I hate when "partners" dont give help because you didn't ask for it, especially on plays they know you can't see

At the end of the day, egos aside, lets get it right as we are paid to do.

[GoodwillRef]

If you have definite knowledge that will help the crew and the game you better come forward with it. Don't wait until we are in the locker room.

[tref]

Yeah it doesn't do us much good at that time, does it.

But you know what they say, everybody isn't cut out to be an R!

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by tref

Yeah it doesn't do us much good at that time, does it.

But you know what they say, everybody isn't cut out to be an R!

We have to make sure we pregrame this and if you are the R on the game make sure you make your crew confortable with coming in and giving information.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

We have to make sure we pregrame this and if you are the R on the game make sure you make your crew confortable with coming in and giving information.

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by tref

+1

Know who's who in your neck of the woods! Pissing off the wrong person could land you in F/JV circuit for good.

Baloney !!

This is no different than handling a coach that's been around forever.

If the guy's ego is so fragile that a 'newbie" sets him straight, then more people need to be setting him straight.

The culture (knowing who's who) will remain until we so something about it.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by asdf

Baloney !!

This is no different than handling a coach that's been around forever.

If the guy's ego is so fragile that a 'newbie" sets him straight, then more people need to be setting him straight.

The culture (knowing who's who) will remain until we so something about it.

I totally agree...in our area this is the difference between old school officials and new school officials. Our local association was ran by the old guard until about 8-10 years ago, I think the association has been better off since the new guard took over.

[tref]

Originally Posted by asdf

Baloney !!

This is no different than handling a coach that's been around forever.

If the guy's ego is so fragile that a 'newbie" sets him straight, then more people need to be setting him straight.

The culture (knowing who's who) will remain until we so something about it.

I respect that, but is not easier to make change from the inside, as oppossed to being the new kid on the block who is merely trying to get in??

[GoodwillRef]

The bigger issue is that the veteran officials didn't have his back at all, and because of that the coach was riding the new guys for a situation that could have been corrected in 15 seconds.

[Pete]

It sounds like you were set up by the vets. Lesson learned. Pregame the event by saying that sometimes I miss behind contact as lead and would appreciate any help from C and T. You will soon learn who is with you and who is not.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

Know who's who in your neck of the woods! Pissing off the wrong person could land you in F/JV circuit for good.

Unfortunately, that's a very accurate statement in my experience. It's a real world out there. You have to know your local dynamics. And unfortunately you also have to adjust to those local dynamics.

It's up to the local officials collectively to change those dynamics. One person ain't gonna do it. And if you're that one person, you might end up doing games down at Podunk MS for years.

Note that I'm just as much against crappy local local politics as any of you. I just don't believe in them. But in your own area, you might not have a choice. As I said, there's a real world out there.

[GoodwillRef]

Jurassic, you make some valid points, but how did we let it get to where it is today?