as a crew...

[Pete]

It sounds like you were set up by the vets. Lesson learned. Pregame the event by saying that sometimes I miss behind contact as lead and would appreciate any help from C and T. You will soon learn who is with you and who is not.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by Pete

Pregame the event by saying that sometimes I miss behind contact as lead and would appreciate any help from C and T. You will soon learn who is with you and who is not.

good point...R's don't really usually pregame in summer league, but I think i'm going to start asking for at least a brief/basic one for situations like this!

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Pete

It sounds like you were set up by the vets. Lesson learned. Pregame the event by saying that sometimes I miss behind contact as lead and would appreciate any help from C and T. You will soon learn who is with you and who is not.

for the sake of argument, are you really "missing" contact? maybe it's semantics, but, instead of missing that contact, you just didn't see the contact...and, not because you weren't in position or not doing your job. it takes a team to do the job right and cover the angles.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by DLH17

for the sake of argument, are you really "missing" contact? maybe it's semantics, but, instead of missing that contact, you just didn't see the contact...and, not because you weren't in position or not doing your job. it takes a team to do the job right and cover the angles.

I may have been too close to the play, but as they were fighting for the rebound in that quick tip second, i was looking up top to see who tipped it last. This is where my partner said B1 was 'over the back' of A1, causing A1 to touch it last. Said he was hoping i'd give the ball back to A1, to 'save B1 a foul'.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

I may have been too close to the play, but as they were fighting for the rebound in that quick tip second, i was looking up top to see who tipped it last. This is where my partner said B1 was 'over the back' of A1, causing A1 to touch it last. Said he was hoping i'd give the ball back to A1, to 'save B1 a foul'.

Exactly. I'm tracking with you, vbz. Which is the reason I'm not telling everyone in pre-game that I might "miss" some contact.

No way do I say it that way. Rather, I say something similar to this, "my partners and I will be working as a team to catch as much illegal contact as possible.".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Exactly. I'm tracking with you, vbz. Which is the reason I'm not telling everyone in pre-game that I might "miss" some contact.

No way do I say it that way. Rather, I say something similar to this, "my partners and I will be working as a team to catch as much illegal contact as possible.".

Wait a second, are you talking about the pregame meeting with the coaches?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wait a second, are you talking about the pregame meeting with the coaches?

I thought that is what the other poster was implying since the angry B coach was part of the discussion.

I would choose not to say the words "I might miss some contact" no matter who I'm talking to....partners or otherwise. DEF NOT a coach, at any time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I thought that is what the other poster was implying since the angry B coach was part of the discussion.

I would choose not to say the words "I might miss some contact" no matter who I'm talking to....partners or otherwise. DEF NOT a coach, at any time.

Personally, if I'm talking to other officials, it really goes without saying. I don't even get into that arena with coaches in a game setting, though. I wouldn't even say the following to a coach:

Originally Posted by DLH17

"my partners and I will be working as a team to catch as much illegal contact as possible.".

It's almost as bad as listing the year's POEs and saying you're watching for them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

I may have been too close to the play, but as they were fighting for the rebound in that quick tip second, i was looking up top to see who tipped it last. This is where my partner said B1 was 'over the back' of A1, causing A1 to touch it last. Said he was hoping i'd give the ball back to A1, to 'save B1 a foul'.

Your partner needs to put air in his whistle if the foul is that obvious.

Originally Posted by DLH17

Exactly. I'm tracking with you, vbz. Which is the reason I'm not telling everyone in pre-game that I might "miss" some contact.

No way do I say it that way. Rather, I say something similar to this, "my partners and I will be working as a team to catch as much illegal contact as possible.".

Just based on that, I say your coaches meetings are to lengthy.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Rather, I say something similar to this, "my partners and I will be working as a team to catch as much illegal contact as possible.".

Do you also tell them that you will be crediting a team with 2 points per basket unless the shot is made with 2 feet behind the 3 point line, in which case you will award 3 points?

My point ... don't say stuff like this. Of course you're out there to enforce the rules... they know this. Say the CYA stuff, and anything the assignor wants reinforced for whatever reason.

One of my pet peeves is an umpire in baseball/softball (strangely I almost never come across this in football, basketball, or volleyball) who uses the plate conference to either teach a rule or explain that we will be calling by the rules, or (with, perhaps, the exception of the 1st week of a season) "the infield fly rule is in effect" or "Dropped 3rd strike is in effect." Again ... Say the CYA, check the lineups, point out potential field problems or odd ground rules if any ... and go.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

One of my pet peeves is an umpire in baseball/softball (strangely I almost never come across this in football, basketball, or volleyball) who uses the plate conference to either teach a rule or explain that we will be calling by the rules, or (with, perhaps, the exception of the 1st week of a season) "the infield fly rule is in effect" or "Dropped 3rd strike is in effect." Again ... Say the CYA, check the lineups, point out potential field problems or odd ground rules if any ... and go.

I've seen it in basketball; correctable error rule. Same guy also gives the "black line all the way around" speech to the players. But, he was a great partner once the ball went up.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Do you also tell them that you will be crediting a team with 2 points per basket unless the shot is made with 2 feet behind the 3 point line, in which case you will award 3 points?

My point ... don't say stuff like this. Of course you're out there to enforce the rules... they know this. Say the CYA stuff, and anything the assignor wants reinforced for whatever reason.

One of my pet peeves is an umpire in baseball/softball (strangely I almost never come across this in football, basketball, or volleyball) who uses the plate conference to either teach a rule or explain that we will be calling by the rules, or (with, perhaps, the exception of the 1st week of a season) "the infield fly rule is in effect" or "Dropped 3rd strike is in effect." Again ... Say the CYA, check the lineups, point out potential field problems or odd ground rules if any ... and go.

Read pg 4 of this thread for context.