as a crew...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

We have to make sure we pregrame this and if you are the R on the game make sure you make your crew confortable with coming in and giving information.

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

[GoodwillRef]

Then it would have only taken 5 seconds if they would have called the obvious foul that both of them had.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

The Lead shouldn't get a shove in the back that's right in front of him? I get 'em all the time.

[GoodwillRef]

As a general rule (not hard and fast) most rebounds fouls should come from the two outside officials. The lead will get some obvious shoves right in front of them.

[vbzebra]

I think part of the problem was the fact that I was too close to the play (mid-point on end line as L) and didn't back up far enough to the wide position when I saw the two trees moving towards me to jump for the rebound, and I was too focused on looking at their hands up to to see who was going to touch it last...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

As a general rule (not hard and fast) most rebounds fouls should come from the two outside officials. The lead will get some obvious shoves right in front of them.

I would say your classic "over-the-back" calls should come from the outside. But shoves in the back usually occur when one or both players are still on the ground. The Lead should be working for the angle to see between the 2 players.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would say your classic "over-the-back" calls should come from the outside. But shoves in the back usually occur when one or both players are still on the ground. The Lead should be working for the angle to see between the 2 players.

I would totally agree with you on this.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

If there was a push on the play by player B, and the ball goes OOB, the resulting OOB violation on player B is perfectly acceptable in most game mgmt situations I've seen.

If the ball doesn't go OOB and team B recovers the rebound, then the C and/or T probably shouldn't pass on that call using a patient whistle.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by DLH17

If there was a push on the play by player B, and the ball goes OOB, the resulting OOB violation on player B is perfectly acceptable in most game mgmt situations I've seen.

If the ball doesn't go OOB and team B recovers the rebound, then the C and/or T probably shouldn't pass on that call using a patient whistle.

You have to be careful, if there is a foul on team B and then the Lead gives the ball to team B you are going to come in with a very late whistle and get the foul?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You have to be careful, if there is a foul on team B and then the Lead gives the ball to team B you are going to come in with a very late whistle and get the foul?

Who said anything about a "late" whistle?

Point taken. But, seriously, just pausing for that extra half sec or so can make a big difference in how that situation plays out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Who said anything about a "late" whistle?

Point taken. But, seriously, just pausing for that extra half sec or so can make a big difference in how that situation plays out.

Agreed. I'll delay my whistle, but I'll have one regardless. If I see my partner has a fist up, I'll drop my arm. If he just has his hand up, I'll close in and offer my opinion. It's possible he saw A1's foot on the line prior to the foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by DLH17

If there was a push on the play by player B, and the ball goes OOB, the resulting OOB violation on player B is perfectly acceptable in most game situations I've seen.

I'm assuming that in the quote above that the ball actually went off player A, but the official chose to give the ball to Team A rather than call a foul against player B. If this is actually a close out of bounds call, and the possible foul is a close call as well, I've seen veteran officials make such a call. In fact, in the past, I've made this call myself several times. However, in this modern era, when every single play, in every single game, is videotaped by a coach, or a parent, in some cases with a cell phone, I am now hesitant to make such a call. Now, as the lead, I simply try as hard as I can to make the correct call, it's either out of bounds off player A, or it's a foul on Player B. If my partner, at the trail, wants of offer me some help, I'm more than glad to listen to the advice, but I try not to make up "make up calls" anymore.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm assuming that in the quote above that the ball actually went off player A, but the official chose to give the ball to Team A rather than call a foul against player B. If this is actually a close out of bounds call, and the possible foul is a close call as well, I've seen veteran officials make such a call. In fact, in the past, I've made this call myself several times. However, in this modern era, when every single play, in every single game, is videotaped by a coach, or a parent, in some cases with a cell phone, I am now hesitant to make such a call. Now, as the lead, I simply try as hard as I can to make the correct call, it's either out of bounds off player A, or it's a foul on Player B. If my partner, at the trail, wants of offer me some help, I'm more than glad to listen to the advice, but I try not to make up "make up calls" anymore.

It's still the expected call in some areas, BillyMac.