Utah/Denver Shot Clock Violation

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My point is that the guy is irresponsible. As long as he continues to accept NCAA assignments despite not knowing the rules at that level and not attempting to learn them, he makes the rest of us look bad.

Of course, he thinks that he is doing a wonderful job.

How do you know he's not doing a wonderful job? Apparently, he's doing pretty d*mn well. But you personally attacking someone is utterly ridiculous, that's not what we do in this profession. If you think every person who works NCAA basketball is a rule book guru you've got another thing coming. There is consistent misapplications of rules every night by the "big dogs." I've worked with NCAA Tournament officials and saved our butts because I knew something about the rules they didn't. BT answered a question regarding pro rules correctly then asked for clarification on the NCAA rules, sounds to me like he's doing what it takes to improve his rules knowlegde.

BT is not the one who makes officials look bad, guys like you are because of your superiority or perhaps inferiority complexes. I've never had a problem with anyone on this board, but I think your personal attacks are unfounded and do not represent what we as officials stand for.

Just my 2 cents, don't bother replying because I won't go any deeper on this topic...I've spoken my mind.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by CLH

How do you know he's not doing a wonderful job? Apparently, he's doing pretty d*mn well. But you personally attacking someone is utterly ridiculous, that's not what we do in this profession. If you think every person who works NCAA basketball is a rule book guru you've got another thing coming. There is consistent misapplications of rules every night by the "big dogs." I've worked with NCAA Tournament officials and saved our butts because I knew something about the rules they didn't. BT answered a question regarding pro rules correctly then asked for clarification on the NCAA rules, sounds to me like he's doing what it takes to improve his rules knowlegde.

BT is not the one who makes officials look bad, guys like you are because of your superiority or perhaps inferiority complexes. I've never had a problem with anyone on this board, but I think your personal attacks are unfounded and do not represent what we as officials stand for.

Just my 2 cents, don't bother replying because I won't go any deeper on this topic...I've spoken my mind.

CLH,
I did NOT attack btaylor personally. I strongly criticized his lack of rules knowledge and his taking the court unprepared. I stated that doing so makes the officials who do put in the study time and strive so hard to administer the game properly "look bad." In other words I criticized his ACTION (or his lack of action). I said nothing about him personally.
YOU are the one who resorted to a petty personal attack. YOU are the one who started babbling about superiority and inferiority complexes.
I totally disagree with the sentiments you have expressed in this thread. I am well within my rights to tell btaylor that he needs to work far harder on his off court rules preparation. I'm sure that he can handle that criticism. Hopefully, he will become a better official for it too.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

CLH,
I did NOT attack btaylor personally.

Yes, you did.

Enough.

[Jay R]

Ben, I watched an NBA Dev game the other night on TV. Did you pay those announcers to say your name? It seemed that you were mentioned a few times. Good job.

Here's a question for you. I can see the logic in the NBA rule about putting back time after 24 second violation, however are you going to that every time. Are you going to add one second on the clock in the 1st quarter of the game? Or is this just used late in games where timing issues become more important?

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Ben, I watched an NBA Dev game the other night on TV. Did you pay those announcers to say your name? It seemed that you were mentioned a few times. Good job.

Here's a question for you. I can see the logic in the NBA rule about putting back time after 24 second violation, however are you going to that every time. Are you going to add one second on the clock in the 1st quarter of the game? Or is this just used late in games where timing issues become more important?

Thanks for the compliment Jay R. Yeah when you've been in the league 3 years like I have and work a lot more games then say a 1st year, the announcers see you more and they also make a conscious effort to know your name. They are homers for the most part but also for the most part they are professionals.

To answer your question, yes we readjust the clock one second if it is obvious and to use an example of what I do: If I saw the possession begin right at 2:58 then I consider it 2:57, bc I don't know how much time was left on that 2:58 so 2:57 is close and gives the shot clock operator a little lag time. So if we have a shot clock violation and the clock reads 2:32, then I know they were off by at least 1 second and put it back up. In our game it isnt a big deal either, bc before the game at the 10 min mark before every game we go over to the table to make sure the clock operator is able to put up tenths of seconds and fix the clock with ease, so when we do hold up the game for it then it takes 2 seconds instead of like 2 min. like in some small college games I've worked where it takes the clock operator forever. Also, some scorers tables are so good that the play-by-play people work in tandem with the clock operator so if they know they ran 1 second over the time, they put the time back up without ever stopping the game. Some are just that good.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by CLH

How do you know he's not doing a wonderful job?

Maccabi Tel Aviv Coach Gershon told me

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

Maccabi Tel Aviv Coach Gershon told me

I think he and I are distantly related - seriously. However, you guys don't want to know about some of my other relatives.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

Maccabi Tel Aviv Coach Gershon told me

Well you got me there, I take it all back...he's a punk!