Duke/Baylor

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The charge...while I agree with the call, it was not consistent with a how they've been called in many of the games I've watched. I've seen call after call go to a block when the defender had better position.

You mean like the 2 blocks called on Prince from Tennessee within 3 seconds yesterday? The second one, especially, I thought would've been a strong PC foul.

[David M]

Am I wrong or should a Duke player (Thomas, I think) been called for basket interference? Instead the two points were counted and a defensive foul called resulting in a 3 point play.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by David M

Am I wrong or should a Duke player (Thomas, I think) been called for basket interference? Instead the two points were counted and a defensive foul called resulting in a 3 point play.

This came up for discussion in the chat room during the game.......

Some said, "by rule"...... others said, "but in this situation, no way you call it".......

[Pantherdreams]

Lots of great stuff.

I do agree with the T on Acy for the reasons stated, I just have trouble believing that if a player comes from afar to defend a teammate (however misguided and inappropriate) and a scrum ensues with people jawing and bumping, that there is nothing else T worthy going on. If you are going to penalize one participant who reacted badly to the situation at point then you need to penalize anyone who did or said something.

The guys in the original huddle around the ball I'm ok with they just had some trouble breaking up and in a normal circumstance a quick discussion with them would be fine. However extra guy in pushing whack, every extra guy after that pushing or talking trash particularly any cursing really has to be called so that everyone gets the message. IMO

Him bumping and then getting bumped back as guys step in and start barking and talking (granted the official got between before a real shove or push back coudl happen, he got sandwiched when the Duke player stepped forward) needs to be dealt with or your basically calling the equivalent of an insitgator penalty in hockey and breaking everyone else up.

If the Baylor kid bumps and the Duke player goes down and everyone is indignant and seperating them fine. Form my vantage point (The TV it lookd like the Duke kid is going back into say some things and get his lick in when the ref stops the physical interaction. More jawing continues. I can't here what being said so maybe its not provacative in nature or cursing. Since i wasn't there I can't tell I just find it hard to believe the only thing T worthy occuring in that scrum was the first push.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

If the Baylor kid bumps and the Duke player goes down and everyone is indignant and seperating them fine. Form my vantage point (The TV it lookd like the Duke kid is going back into say some things and get his lick in when the ref stops the physical interaction. More jawing continues. I can't here what being said so maybe its not provacative in nature or cursing. Since i wasn't there I can't tell I just find it hard to believe the only thing T worthy occuring in that scrum was the first push.

I'm not having that hard a time believing it; I'll assume without evidence to the contrary that the officials called the Ts that needed called. They got the instigator, and no one else did anything that jumped out and begged for a T. We often talk about how it's unfair to penalize two guys equally when one obviously started the mess. I like how they dealt with it.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You mean like the 2 blocks called on Prince from Tennessee within 3 seconds yesterday? The second one, especially, I thought would've been a strong PC foul.

Don't know if there are any differences between NCAA and NFHS on this or not, but in NFHS there are only 3 ways to lose a legal guarding position--1) move toward the ball handler at the time of contact; 2) ball handler gets head and shoulders past front of torso of defender; 3) defender is out of bounds. The contact on the front of the torso is a clear indicator of legal guarding position for a non-shooting ball handler, the fact he was moving backwards at the time means he wasn't moving forward, and he was clearly inbounds. 2nd was easily PC and I'm pretty sure the 1st would have been as well.

In the Duke/Baylor call, Zubek never got the front of his torso facing him, clearly indicated in the fact that the contact was in the "side-panel" area of the jersey (Zubek was definitely not turning to absorb contact). Block.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Anchor

In the Duke/Baylor call, Zubek never got the front of his torso facing him, clearly indicated in the fact that the contact was in the "side-panel" area of the jersey (Zubek was definitely not turning to absorb contact). Block.

You must have seen a different play than I did.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Anchor

In the Duke/Baylor call, Zubek never got the front of his torso facing him, clearly indicated in the fact that the contact was in the "side-panel" area of the jersey (Zubek was definitely not turning to absorb contact). Block.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You must have seen a different play than I did.

And me. No friggin way did it happen like that.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Don't know if there are any differences between NCAA and NFHS on this or not, but in NFHS there are only 3 ways to lose a legal guarding position--1) move toward the ball handler at the time of contact; 2) ball handler gets head and shoulders past front of torso of defender; 3) defender is out of bounds. The contact on the front of the torso is a clear indicator of legal guarding position for a non-shooting ball handler, the fact he was moving backwards at the time means he wasn't moving forward, and he was clearly inbounds. 2nd was easily PC and I'm pretty sure the 1st would have been as well.

In the Duke/Baylor call, Zubek never got the front of his torso facing him, clearly indicated in the fact that the contact was in the "side-panel" area of the jersey (Zubek was definitely not turning to absorb contact). Block.

Check out post #9 in this thread. I went and watch the video on mmod.ncaa.com and can state with certainty that your opinion of the play is not accurate. Go watch the video. He is square to Acy before he jumps, the contact is not directly through Zoubek's chest because Acy jumps at an angle across the defender.