Duke/Baylor

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I don't believe that a T was called prior to the crew consulting the monitor. Upon video review a T was charged to Acy for intentional contact with an opponent during a dead ball.

There most definitely was. The official was screened from the camera on the replay, but you could see him distinctly pick up his whistle and make the signal for "T"

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I don't believe that a T was called prior to the crew consulting the monitor. Upon video review a T was charged to Acy for intentional contact with an opponent during a dead ball.

Originally Posted by bas2456

There most definitely was. The official was screened from the camera on the replay, but you could see him distinctly pick up his whistle and make the signal for "T"

Thornley observed the scrum and nailed Acy for a "third man in" bump on the Duke player.

I'd be inclined to agree with pantherdreams - for the two guys involved in the original scrum. The third guy in has no excuse.

[bas2456]

I saw the Zoubek play. How close was he to the restricted area? My memory is failing me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I saw the Zoubek play. How close was he to the restricted area? My memory is failing me.

about 5 feet.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I saw the Zoubek play. How close was he to the restricted area? My memory is failing me.

He is one foot inside the lane line and parallel to it. He would have been outside of the NBA circle.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bas2456

There most definitely was. The official was screened from the camera on the replay, but you could see him distinctly pick up his whistle and make the signal for "T"

Okay, I'll check the video and see if I can find that.

Edit...

Yep, Thornley does whistle and give the T signal, but he does it twice. There is a tap-tap, before he points to Acy, which looks like a double-T at first.

I will say that I don't like him making the call of a T here when his partner is the one who jumps between Acy and Smith and has the best vantage point on the situation. I believe that he should have left the decision on how to handle it to him.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Okay, I'll check the video and see if I can find that.

Edit...

Yep, Thornley does whistle and give the T signal, but he does it twice. There is a tap-tap, before he points to Acy, which looks like a double-T at first.

I will say that I don't like him making the call of a T here when his partner is the one who jumps between Acy and Smith and has the best vantage point on the situation. I believe that he should have left the decision on how to handle it to him.

This is one situation where it may have been useful for Thornley to keep his eyes forward instead of looking at the bench while granting the timeout.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Okay, I'll check the video and see if I can find that.

Edit...

Yep, Thornley does whistle and give the T signal, but he does it twice. There is a tap-tap, before he points to Acy, which looks like a double-T at first.

I will say that I don't like him making the call of a T here when his partner is the one who jumps between Acy and Smith and has the best vantage point on the situation. I believe that he should have left the decision on how to handle it to him.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

This is one situation where it may have been useful for Thornley to keep his eyes forward instead of looking at the bench while granting the timeout.

On the replay you can see he has a wide-angle view of the third guy coming into the fray.

I don't know that you couldn't pass on the T - but I don't think you can necessarily call it incorrect, either by rule, or in terms of crew mechanics.

[Texas Aggie]

The T call was a good call. The first Duke player (with the ball) was simply trying to get out of being physically harassed. The second player, was trying to get him out of there -- neither committed a foul of any kind. The Baylor thug (and I'm a Baylor supporter in general, but not of their basketball programs) came in and for no reason pushed the second Duke player who was holding the first.

I said immediately it was a T and wondered if they were going to call it. Had it been the first Baylor player (actually there were 2 guarding, so pick one) who was either trying to foul or trying to steal, assuming he was contacted unintentionally by the Duke player with the ball, that makes a simple, "get out of my space" subtle push, I *might* let that go. But I don't let a player out of the play come in and start trouble. THAT is how fights happen. Usually, the two guys tangled up quickly forgive and forget. There are exceptions, of course, but its almost always the 3rd or 4th guy coming in that escalate things, and that HAS to be penalized.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The T call was a good call. The first Duke player (with the ball) was simply trying to get out of being physically harassed. The second player, was trying to get him out of there -- neither committed a foul of any kind. The Baylor thug (and I'm a Baylor supporter in general, but not of their basketball programs) came in and for no reason pushed the second Duke player who was holding the first.

I said immediately it was a T and wondered if they were going to call it. Had it been the first Baylor player (actually there were 2 guarding, so pick one) who was either trying to foul or trying to steal, assuming he was contacted unintentionally by the Duke player with the ball, that makes a simple, "get out of my space" subtle push, I *might* let that go. But I don't let a player out of the play come in and start trouble. THAT is how fights happen. Usually, the two guys tangled up quickly forgive and forget. There are exceptions, of course, but its almost always the 3rd or 4th guy coming in that escalate things, and that HAS to be penalized.

I agree with your assessment. I agree with Acy getting a T on the play. He absolutely came in and unnecessarily started trouble.
I only wonder if Thornley stepped on his partner's toes there as his partner was between Acy and Smith.

In the end it doesn't seem to matter as the right call was made, but I think that I would have consulted with my partner before pulling the trigger.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The T call was a good call. The first Duke player (with the ball) was simply trying to get out of being physically harassed. The second player, was trying to get him out of there -- neither committed a foul of any kind. The Baylor thug (and I'm a Baylor supporter in general, but not of their basketball programs) came in and for no reason pushed the second Duke player who was holding the first.

I said immediately it was a T and wondered if they were going to call it. Had it been the first Baylor player (actually there were 2 guarding, so pick one) who was either trying to foul or trying to steal, assuming he was contacted unintentionally by the Duke player with the ball, that makes a simple, "get out of my space" subtle push, I *might* let that go. But I don't let a player out of the play come in and start trouble. THAT is how fights happen. Usually, the two guys tangled up quickly forgive and forget. There are exceptions, of course, but its almost always the 3rd or 4th guy coming in that escalate things, and that HAS to be penalized.

Why is the baylor player a 'thug'?

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Why is the baylor player a 'thug'?

Because Texas A&M versus Baylor is a pretty heated rivalry, there's no love lost between those two teams and especially their fans.

[gslefeb]

For those that said Double T, who on Duke deserved a T and why?

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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I will say that I don't like him making the call of a T here when his partner is the one who jumps between Acy and Smith and has the best vantage point on the situation. I believe that he should have left the decision on how to handle it to him.

I thought that maybe his partner was a little too close to the action and didn't see everything develop. Sometimes in these types of situations, the official that isn't in the middle of things gets a better look at everything going on. I thought Thornley did the right thing in not getting into the middle of things and letting the other two officials break things up, watching the whole play, and then dealing with it. I think they got it right. Just my opinion of course.

The block/charge was a GREAT call, tough one at a tough time of the game. Thats why those guys are out there and I'm sitting at home watching.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

I thought that maybe his partner was a little too close to the action and didn't see everything develop.

Not possible.

If you watch the replay, his partner comes running in from afar. The action which warranted the T had already taken place when he arrived. He was simply preventing an escalation of the matter.