Duke/Baylor

[Texas Aggie]

The T call was a good call. The first Duke player (with the ball) was simply trying to get out of being physically harassed. The second player, was trying to get him out of there -- neither committed a foul of any kind. The Baylor thug (and I'm a Baylor supporter in general, but not of their basketball programs) came in and for no reason pushed the second Duke player who was holding the first.

I said immediately it was a T and wondered if they were going to call it. Had it been the first Baylor player (actually there were 2 guarding, so pick one) who was either trying to foul or trying to steal, assuming he was contacted unintentionally by the Duke player with the ball, that makes a simple, "get out of my space" subtle push, I *might* let that go. But I don't let a player out of the play come in and start trouble. THAT is how fights happen. Usually, the two guys tangled up quickly forgive and forget. There are exceptions, of course, but its almost always the 3rd or 4th guy coming in that escalate things, and that HAS to be penalized.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The T call was a good call. The first Duke player (with the ball) was simply trying to get out of being physically harassed. The second player, was trying to get him out of there -- neither committed a foul of any kind. The Baylor thug (and I'm a Baylor supporter in general, but not of their basketball programs) came in and for no reason pushed the second Duke player who was holding the first.

I said immediately it was a T and wondered if they were going to call it. Had it been the first Baylor player (actually there were 2 guarding, so pick one) who was either trying to foul or trying to steal, assuming he was contacted unintentionally by the Duke player with the ball, that makes a simple, "get out of my space" subtle push, I *might* let that go. But I don't let a player out of the play come in and start trouble. THAT is how fights happen. Usually, the two guys tangled up quickly forgive and forget. There are exceptions, of course, but its almost always the 3rd or 4th guy coming in that escalate things, and that HAS to be penalized.

I agree with your assessment. I agree with Acy getting a T on the play. He absolutely came in and unnecessarily started trouble.
I only wonder if Thornley stepped on his partner's toes there as his partner was between Acy and Smith.

In the end it doesn't seem to matter as the right call was made, but I think that I would have consulted with my partner before pulling the trigger.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The T call was a good call. The first Duke player (with the ball) was simply trying to get out of being physically harassed. The second player, was trying to get him out of there -- neither committed a foul of any kind. The Baylor thug (and I'm a Baylor supporter in general, but not of their basketball programs) came in and for no reason pushed the second Duke player who was holding the first.

I said immediately it was a T and wondered if they were going to call it. Had it been the first Baylor player (actually there were 2 guarding, so pick one) who was either trying to foul or trying to steal, assuming he was contacted unintentionally by the Duke player with the ball, that makes a simple, "get out of my space" subtle push, I *might* let that go. But I don't let a player out of the play come in and start trouble. THAT is how fights happen. Usually, the two guys tangled up quickly forgive and forget. There are exceptions, of course, but its almost always the 3rd or 4th guy coming in that escalate things, and that HAS to be penalized.

Why is the baylor player a 'thug'?

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Why is the baylor player a 'thug'?

Because Texas A&M versus Baylor is a pretty heated rivalry, there's no love lost between those two teams and especially their fans.

[gslefeb]

For those that said Double T, who on Duke deserved a T and why?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

For those that said Double T, who on Duke deserved a T and why?

Pick one.
Why? For choosing Duke.

Seriously, though, good question.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

For those that said Double T, who on Duke deserved a T and why?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Pick one.
Why? For choosing Duke.

Seriously, though, good question.

I would assume Scheyer for swinging his elbows (with no contact) after the initial foul was called, at which point a Baylor player retaliated by giving him a little shove.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would assume Scheyer for swinging his elbows (with no contact) after the initial foul was called, at which point a Baylor player retaliated by giving him a little shove.

Then give those two a double T, and Acy gets his very own.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would assume Scheyer for swinging his elbows (with no contact) after the initial foul was called, at which point a Baylor player retaliated by giving him a little shove.

Agreed.....

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would assume Scheyer for swinging his elbows (with no contact) after the initial foul was called, at which point a Baylor player retaliated by giving him a little shove.

There was no foul called. It was a timeout.

And Scheyer swung his elbows simultaneous with the ref blowing the whistle, not after the whistle.

The case for a T on Scheyer is weak at best. If you want to go with a double T, you're better of sticking Nolan Smith with one, as he got a small, one-handed shove on Acy after the shove that did earn the T.