Moving Picks with Video question??

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by Lostdog

Fair enough guys. I will do the best I can to learn from your suggestions. Been a tough day and I thank you for some honest feedback.

Personally I think you should be able to get on this board and ask questions without being ganged up on.

Your question was valid, albeit premature for this level of play. The mechanics of basketball are barely identifiable until kids get into around 6th grade and higher. Ref'ing a game like that is VERY challenging because these kids can barely control their bodies, to say nothing of truly understanding the dynamics of the game.

Having said that, you have the right to come onto this board and ask a question anytime. And we ought to be able to answer it with at least some level of professionalism and manners.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

And we ought to be able to answer it with at least some level of professionalism and manners.

Oh, is that right? The same professionalism and manners that this individual used when he was screaming at a couple of teen-aged officials, trying to intimidate them into making calls in his 9-year old daughter's favor?

Know what, Paul? Every year I have to talk to the officials that are quitting our association because they feel that it just isn't worth taking the abuse any more that they have to take from the stands. So, feel free to sympathize with these whiny parents. I'll think that I'll stick with my fellow officials.

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Know what, Paul? Every year I have to talk to the officials that are quitting our association because they feel that it just isn't worth taking the abuse any more that they have to take from the stands. So, feel free to sympathize with these whiny parents. I'll think that I'll stick with my fellow officials.

I understand your frustration. As an official I share it. But is the answer to become what they are? If someone is acting like an idiot should I lower myself to the same level of behavior and justify it by saying they started it?

At least the guy who posted the original question was willing to come onto a board loaded with officials to present his question. He could have just kept b****ing and complaining but he came onto OUR turf to get some clarity. We like to complain about parents who are ignorant of the rules. Well here was one guy willing to DO something about it. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify him for making a positive effort toward getting smarter. That's all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

I understand your frustration. As an official I share it. But is the answer to become what they are? If someone is acting like an idiot should I lower myself to the same level of behavior and justify it by saying they started it?

At least the guy who posted the original question was willing to come onto a board loaded with officials to present his question. He could have just kept b****ing and complaining but he came onto OUR turf to get some clarity. We like to complain about parents who are ignorant of the rules. Well here was one guy willing to DO something about it. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify him for making a positive effort toward getting smarter. That's all.

I disagree Paul for this reason. It is not our job to just go along with this person that comes here complaining. He asked a question and I think frankly that question was a little absurd on so many levels. This is not the NBA or the WNBA for that matter. This is not even the college ranks. This is not even where the officials are hand picked and we have a parent that wants to debate what is or is not a foul with a bunch of kids that cannot dribble. And if he does not understand that, this is not our problem. Sometimes people need to be put in place or told off to realize that what they are complaining about is silly. And to complain about "moving screens" when the girl is not even trained to know what to do and then get mad at the officials that are in shorts and probably were never trained in anything to do these games is just and expected. And yes I also agree with JR about siding with the officials. It is not our job to make him feel good about himself. But these kinds of complaints rub me the wrong way when I try to train officials to become better and you have fans that would never put their hat in the ring, but complain because the media tells them this behavior is acceptable.

Peace

[Welpe]

For what it's worth, from my experience as a coach, fan, player and official, yelling about something like this rarely helps the situation and only serves to make it more contentious.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

I understand your frustration. As an official I share it. But is the answer to become what they are? If someone is acting like an idiot should I lower myself to the same level of behavior and justify it by saying they started it?

At least the guy who posted the original question was willing to come onto a board loaded with officials to present his question. He could have just kept b****ing and complaining but he came onto OUR turf to get some clarity. We like to complain about parents who are ignorant of the rules. Well here was one guy willing to DO something about it. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify him for making a positive effort toward getting smarter. That's all.

Nope, you do not understand my frustration. Not at all. And I don't believe for a second that you share it. If you did, you wouldn't put me in the exact same class as that parent who was abusing young officials.

If you truly think that was the parent's intent when making that post, then you are sadly mistaken. His intent was to have us substantiate his claims about biased, brutal officiating. Did you happen to notice the claim that the officiating wasn't "fair"? Iow those calls weren't being missed both ways?

I could care less about the actual rules/calls involved or the quality of the officiating. You obviously have a rec league of some kind here, composed of 9 year-old girls and being officiated by high school students who most likely have received nada in the way of formal training. What bothers me is we have a parent of a 9 year-old girl sitting in the stands publically berating and verbally abusing those high school kids trying to officiate that game. That's the issue, not whether some damn illegal screen call got missed.

If you think that there's anything at all "positive" about that behavior, so be it. You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree completely with you and I always will. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to that.

[Jay R]

A parent comes on to question the ability of officials in his 9 yr old daughter's game. He gets the expected response. "Get some perspective". I commend him for admitting so later on.

What happens next, two pages of arguing about when the link was removed. Guys, get some perspective.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jay R

A parent comes on to question the ability of officials in his 9 yr old daughter's game. He gets the expected response. "Get some perspective". I commend him for admitting so later on.

What happens next, two pages of arguing about when the link was removed. Guys, get some perspective.

+1

Oh -- to the OP, if s/he's still here: If you have concerns about the officiating, you should take them to the "board" for the league (or have the coach take them). The Board can decide how much emphasis to place on any particular rule and on what level of officials to hire.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Jay R

What happens next, two pages of arguing about when the link was removed. Guys, get some perspective.

They must be asleep now, wait till they wake up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jay R

A parent comes on to question the ability of officials in his 9 yr old daughter's game. He gets the expected response. "Get some perspective". I commend him for admitting so later on.

What happens next, two pages of arguing about when the link was removed. Guys, get some perspective.

If you think that what happened meant that much to me, I am really not the person that needs some perceptive. You obviously do not know me very well. Just saying.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, you do not understand my frustration. Not at all. And I don't believe for a second that you share it. If you did, you wouldn't put me in the exact same class as that parent who was abusing young officials.

EXACTLY!!!!!

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you truly think that was the parent's intent when making that post, then you are sadly mistaken. His intent was to have us substantiate his claims about biased, brutal officiating. Did you happen to notice the claim that the officiating wasn't "fair"? Iow those calls weren't being missed both ways?

I could care less about the actual rules/calls involved or the quality of the officiating. You obviously have a rec league of some kind here, composed of 9 year-old girls and being officiated by high school students who most likely have received nada in the way of formal training. What bothers me is we have a parent of a 9 year-old girl sitting in the stands publically berating and verbally abusing those high school kids trying to officiate that game. That's the issue, not whether some damn illegal screen call got missed.

If you think that there's anything at all "positive" about that behavior, so be it. You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree completely with you and I always will. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to that.

I completely agree.

If they wanted a real answer, these people would not do a "Google" search and then come here to ask questions to support some craziness. They would go to their local league people already and get a real answer. If I have a problem with a company, I do not go to the internet to complain about it. I go straight to that company as you should. There is nothing any of us can do or not do to help someone that only wants to complain. You can quote rules or mechanics it is not going to matter. It never does any other time why would that take place now?

Peace

[asdf]

It's too bad we chased Lostdog off.

I was looking forward to answering his follow up question on three seconds.....

[representing]

Darn, the videos were taken down. I wanted to see these comical videos myself. Guess I was too late

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

Personally I think you should be able to get on this board and ask questions without being ganged up on.

First of all no one is ganging up on anyone. You come to an open forum you and ask for opinions you are allowed to hear what those have to say. If you do not like the answers, this might not be the place for you as well as many other places will not be the right places for that person. And when you have a parent that has totally lost perspective as to what their child is doing, then they need to told what is up. This is at best a rec league that does not have the wherewithal to hire trained officials. And honestly this is a joke if someone cannot understand how silly their position is. Someone needs to tell adults that they are taking the complete and total fun out of sports for their kids. There used to be a time when kids played on their own and that was the best thing. Now we have parents that think winning some kid’s game is a right or an obligation. And they wonder why qualified and trained officials want nothing to do with these games.

Peace

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Someone needs to tell adults that they are taking the complete and total fun out of sports for their kids.

I couldn't agree more!!!