Region Picks

[archer]

This year our association decided to do something different. It appears that the Principles and 5 Coaches make up the board for our Officials Association. In the past the assigning commissioners decided on who worked the Region tournaments. This year the Board decided that they were going to allow the Coaches to pick who worked the region tournaments. It has caused a big uproar in our association. Officials that I would call big game officials have been left off the list. These are the ones who call the game as it is suppose to be called. Some of the officals that made the Region list did not get a District tournament assignment. There are even 2 of the officials that were left off the list that were picked by the state to work the state championship this year. What is your alls input on this and how are other associations going about chosing who works.

Thanks

[AZ_REF]

Here our regional commish does all playoff games except state semi's and finals. We get a proportionate amount of state games that we have officials in the state. So if our region has 500 of 1000 officials we would get 50% of all state games. The state commish decides on finals and semis with input from our regional commish.

[JRutledge]

I would not have a problem if coaches had some recommendations and were allowed to pick officials as one factor of who works. I would not make coaches picks to be final or the "reason" someone works or does not work the playoff games.

Peace

[zebraman]

Now think about it for a minute. Your group is an OFFICIAL'S association. You are letting district officials be decided strictly by NON-OFFICIALS. You have "experts" in your group and you are letting the staffing decisions be made solely by the non-experts. Does that sound logical?

WTF?

Your individual opinion about who the "big game officials" are is irrelevant. What should matter is the collective opinion of your entire group of experts.... or at least a board of experts like ex-officials. When you let the tail wag the dog..... well.... you know.

Z

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by zebraman
Now think about it for a minute. Your group is an OFFICIAL'S association. You are letting district officials be decided strictly by NON-OFFICIALS. You have "experts" in your group and you are letting the staffing decisions be made solely by the non-experts. Does that sound logical?

WTF?

Your individual opinion about who the "big game officials" are is irrelevant. What should matter is the collective opinion of your entire group of experts.... or at least a board of experts like ex-officials. When you let the tail wag the dog..... well.... you know.

Z

Amen brother.......

[archer]

You are 100% percent right. I didnt make the rules up. Im just now finding out how our association is run. And the more I find out the more it stinks. There seems to be a movement among the officials to get away from the principles and coaches and let the officials run this association themselves. What is happening now is that Officials are being rewarded for sucking up to Coaches. I even brought up that it is possisble that the Coaches of teams that didnt make it out of the District are planting officals that are not ready to officiate the big games because of resentment of being beat.
I can only imagine what next year will be like...... A sticking situation arises during a game and a Coach make the comment about your future in the Regions...... How is an official to be unbiased at a comment like that?

[FishinRef]

I agree with zebraman!!!! Very well stated.


IMO District, Regional, & State tourneys should be done by the most EXPERIENCED and COMPETENT officials in their particular region/state. Coaches typically have a good understanding of MOST of the rules but very little knowledge of our mechanics. High School Principals know less than my dog regarding what makes one official better than another. Why would anyone let this group of people decide who is the best for the job.
Assignors should be the given the ultimate decision on who works the Big Games. Abilities, knowledge, & judgement of the Big Game officials should be based on their performance during the regular season.

Lets face it, every person wearing the stripes, knows who the best officials are in their area/association.

[Chess Ref]

Start off with Sectionals --assignor picks them
Go to Regionals - We go with % of total officials -assignor gives Regional people names Regional people picks from the list

then state- we get about 2/3 officials selected by state people. Assignor supplies names

[dblref]

In my association, coaches/principals have zero/zilch/nada/nein input into the officials for scrimmages, regular season, district, regional, or state -- and this is how it should be. Our assignor makes the decision for district/regional officials. He also submits a list of 10 or 12 officials to the state office and the state selects/assigns the officials. The only input a coach has is at the start of the season, they can "scratch" 2 officials. After that, what they see is what they get.

[Edited by dblref on Feb 22nd, 2006 at 04:00 PM]

[cmathews]

In Wyoming, the coaches of each varsity team at each school, get to "vote" for 8 or 10 officials from a list of eligible officials in the state. They get to vote for both regional and state officials. The coaches votes account for (I think, but am not positive here) 50% of an officials "score", we are evaluated 2 times each year and those eval scores account for 30% and the state activities association has a say in the other 20%. Those are the rules, how they are applied or how the percentages come into play, no one knows....

[tomegun]

This method of selection is wrong for many reasons. What if one official got around to see more coaches than another official?

What if one (or more) of the coaches lost a game in the finals two years ago and leave one of the best officials off the list because he/she made a big call?

What if a coach thinks the older officials should work the state games?

What if the coach thinks the younger officials should work the state games?

Like others have mentioned, all of these factors could be hashed out by using expert opinions for the selection. The coaches' opinions could be part of the formula (a very small part) but should be the deciding factor.

[BktBallRef]

WTF does a principal and a gropup of coaches run your official association?

[archer]

Need Advice on this..... With the priciples and Coaches making the decisons in our association through our commissioner are we considered independant contractors or employees. Seeking info on this because of the situation that has arisen.

Thanks